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Hey guys my buddy is looking to get into WHFB. He plays Eldar in 40k. He likes the Skaven but doesn't want to pay a whole lot money wise. I told him your going to have to for sure if you play Skaven. He wants to play WHFB but get an army as cheap as possible. So the question is which army would be the cheapest money wise to start up besides the IOB Skaven and High Elves? I thought it would be Ogre Kingdoms but Im really unsure. Need some answers on this on dakka because I know 40k a lot more then WHFB as I just started WHFB myself earlier this summer.

Basic models? Ogre Kingdoms though the box sets are bit hard to find now due to the impending update (supposedly in October). Two box sets would have him pretty well set except for scraplaunchers which are direct only...but you need them. Rumor is a plastic set for them come October so he might want to wait a bit unless he's in a hurry.

Thats what I thought. Are they gonna try and make Ogre Kingdoms more pricey money wise after the update do you think? Because Im sure GW will try to do such a thing.

Spartan 117 wrote:Thats what I thought. Are they gonna try and make Ogre Kingdoms more pricey money wise after the update do you think? Because Im sure GW will try to do such a thing.

Its a good bet that the metal kits will become plastic/finecast - which could mean a price increase. Units that have not or will not be getting uprade kits (going on a limb here) like Bulls and Iron Guts...may be uneffected - but who knows its GW.

I don't know if the basic Ogres (bulls, IG, LB) are getting new sculpts or not. Regardless, you can get these cheaply enough and buy new plastics once the update happens.

Skaven are NOT cheap. Yes, the IoB set is sweet and cheaper than buying regiment boxes, but they are the epitomy of horde and you need so damned many of them that you'll easily spend lots of money on clanrats/slaves. For my 3k army, I've had to get the equivelant of six IoB rat sets. I got them off eBay at $30.00 but that's still $180 for mostly clanrats. Add to that the HPA, a couple of Cannons, and a Bell... well, you get the picture. Still, I do love my Skaven army.

I would recommend look at Ebay every so often you can pick up good priced armies, there is no such things as a cheap army in fantasy now.

Woc are also really cheap I got about 2.5k for just a tad over 200$
other than that ogres, but iob is a good buy.

I'm not 100% about this but I would imagine that dark and high elves wouldn't kill your wallet either. The aries I see don't have 30 hordes running around at least, except one guy with a 10X10 of witches...I cry a little every time I see it...

Ya I personally play High Elves and the points make it easy for me not to have to buy a whole lot considering what I personally like to run.

Except for the fact that White Lions and Pheonix guard are made out of gold.... $50 for 10? And you need around 30? hahah

Honestly its Ogres, WoC and kinda Brets but you need Trebs and alot more peasants...

A good option if $$ is an issue is to buy Used or prev owned armies. I persolanny have unpainted VC and Brits for sale if your interested.

Red_Lives wrote:A good option if $$ is an issue is to buy Used or prev owned armies. I persolanny have unpainted VC and Brits for sale if your interested.

I could not agree with this post more!

How are skaven not cheap these days? You can get a full IOB skaven set for $35. 2 or 3 of those and you have a MUCH better start to an army than any battalion box or army package that cost about the same or more.

True used armies are cheaper unless they are master painted and then its stupidly expensive haha.

But yes IoB is a great set best thing out there pretty much.

aerethan wrote:How are skaven not cheap these days? You can get a full IOB skaven set for $35. 2 or 3 of those and you have a MUCH better start to an army than any battalion box or army package that cost about the same or more.

I didn't say it wasn't a good value. I said it wasn't a cheap army.

Well what points level do you want to play at?

Lizardmen. So cheap.
2 Battalions + Steggy and make your characters from the plastics. Easily 3000+ points.

Lorizael wrote:Lizardmen. So cheap.
2 Battalions + Steggy and make your characters from the plastics. Easily 3000+ points.

2 battalions and a stegadon is far from 3k. You also need a slann for lizardmen to really be effective.

Is lizardmen really that cheap? I thought they were kinda a horde like army? Im relatively new to WHFB myself.

www.manticgames.com

any WHFB army for half the cost, with better models (ok, elves are a little doubtfull is this point).

If your store of choice dont let you use "non GW", use your garage and a table

Dont accept GW trying to "be the hobby"!!!

Lorizael wrote:Lizardmen. So cheap.
2 Battalions + Steggy and make your characters from the plastics. Easily 3000+ points.

More like two battalions two stegs a slaan and a sallamander = 2500.
And it involves minor converting.

Mantic make wonderful models i really want some just because especially the undead stuff.

But I go to my local GW so thats that.

I stand by the fact that IOB will give you the most bang for the buck, even considering it's a horde army. It has more models than a battalion at a third the price.

It's a shame that the High Elves part of IOB is almost useless. Swormasters and the mage are nice but the griffon is useless as are the reavers and the sea guard are overpriced.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:www.manticgames.com

any WHFB army for half the cost, with better models (ok, elves are a little doubtfull is this point).

Pretty sure Fantasy has more than Undead, High Elves, Dwarves and Orcs.

Pretty sure.

Also, most of Mantics models are terrible.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If your store of choice dont let you use "non GW", use your garage and a table

Dont accept GW trying to "be the hobby"!!!

GW are quite in their right to not allow competitiors models in stores simply because they don't sell them. That's not 'being the hobby'.

I'm just going from what I have seen the mantic models look nice.

I agree with gw not wanting masses of models from a competitor advertised in their stores it is buisiness after all.

Cheapest well best bang for your buck would be IoB no doubt HE are almost all set with 2 sets plus a hero or 2 and a Mage.

Your buddy could try playing online, thats free. (See sig).

-Loki- wrote:GW are quite in their right to not allow competitiors models in stores simply because they don't sell them. That's not 'being the hobby'.

More like they have their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that other companies even exist, let alone that there is any competition in the market.

Personally GW stores are worthless, BUT if it's your ONLY local option for a place to play, then you are forced to abide by their rules. I'd rather drive an extra hour than play in a GW store. GW are the Wal Mart of the gaming world only without all the low prices. You morally hate them but some times they are the only option.

aerethan wrote:More like they have their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that other companies even exist, let alone that there is any competition in the market.

GW simply wants to limit sales to the models they make, not their competitors' models.

Not selling the competition is not the same as refusing to admit they exist.

Take Vampire Counts for example. There is no plastic kit for a general, so you are forced to choose from what they offer, which is slim pickings. Female character in armor? Not gonna happen as the Lhamians are almost naked. I personally don't like 90% of the characters GW offers. So if I go buy a Reaper vamp to use, GW bans it from the store. A single model.

The policy is "Buy us or gtfo".

I would say Warriors of Chaos and Ogres, none of them need 40 man units.

I agree with aerethan, the internet has tons of IOB Skaven sets for like 30-35, so like three of those gives you around, 6 Rat Ogres, 2 Warlords, one of which you can convert into a BSB, 2 Warlock Engineers, 6 Weapon Teams and about 108 Clanrats/Slaves (Not counting the copies of the unit command)

For 90-105, that ain't bad.