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Just wondering if anyone out there has seen CSM/SM land raider spam at Ard Boyz or similar tournaments. While most armies have plenty that can deal with AV14 at 2500pts I still wonder if it would be competitive at all? 6x AV14 assault vehicles... and with Bezerkers or the like in them they could be pretty hard in nearly every situation.

ignoring the problem of getting 6 (ie 3 dedicated + 3 heavy ect) your paying at least 1440pts (240 chaos). I'm sure there are some armies that will struggle with that much AV14, most however will be fine and table you.

Stelek did it a while ago with Daemonhunters. He did quite well at the time but since then players have been making up their armies with Land Raiders in mind. You can't actually get 6 land raiders with standard space marines. The most they can manage is 5: 3 HS and two dedicated transports for terminators. Chaos can do it and so can Blood Angels.

For BA it would be something like
100 point HQ guy
100 point assault squad plus 215 point land raider makes 315 points. Times six is 1890. About 600 points left to your discretion, a little more if you take any Redeemers. That's enough to fill out and arm all but one of your assault squads.

Of course it's unbalanced. Some armies won't be able to handle it while others will have little trouble.

Yeah it all comes back to the problem that a single meltagun can kill your massive 250pt model almost as easily as a 35pt Rhino. 5 Meltagun shots will take out a Land Raider and their are heaps of armies with access to such units, or just have 2 meltaguns in every troop unit (which is 12, 2 Land Raiders a turn easily). If you take too many then you end up with no combat punch, and often no real anti tank options (because you fill up your Heavy slots).

That said I have seen some interesting LR heavy lists using GK's. They can do some cool stuff with Shrouding (combine with a few Rhinos to get cover) and Summoning and even their more basic units have decent assault punch.

With six land raiders, you could potentially take out 12 enemy tanks in one turn, sitting still and using power of the machine spirit to hit a secondary target. Sure they would all be vulnerable to infantry with melta weapons, but they could all fire six TL heavy bolters at a squad too. Or sit still, use both lascannons on a single tank, and potms the heavy bolter at an infantry squad.

I figure that is a proper way to use the six land raider list, sit back and shoot for a turn or two, to melt enemy tanks, and whittle down infantry a bit. Then rush in using potms to keep taking shots with the heavy bolter, and pop smoke the turn before you think you'll get melta'd, if you survive, assault the next turn.

Black Templar Land Raiders?

I've once seen 6-LR chaos vs 5-LR space marines in an 'Ard Boyz game. That was quite a sight to behold.

In my last 'Ard Boyz tournament I went to, one of my friends brought a 6-LR BA army w/2 furiosos as well. He didn't do that well, getting decimated by a tyranid army w/2 tyrannofexes and 3 zoanthropes and then later by a Tau army with 6 broadsides and a railhead.

Armies nowadays are packing a lot of guns to deal with LR's. It's just the current meta. That's why you don't see too many of them anyone in tournament-play.

Damn that's alot..never even thought of ever putting that much in an army.

6 seems like your sacrificing every other aspect of your army, just to get them on the table.

I don't know about LR's not being popular though. Last night two guys were practicing for Ard Boyz, with 3 LRs in 2500pts. So two guys in my area at least think they are worth bringing. I'll be fielding either one or two.

Daemonhunters could run 7 Land Raiders in a 'Ard Boyz list (1 HQ, 3 elite, 3 heavy) by taking minimal required troops and HQ's to unlock the rest (GLBC, HQInq+LR, 3 eInq+3hench+LR, 2 5-man PAGK, 3 GKLR).

Of course, those days are over. ;(

SJ