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Hey need some advice this is my first deathwing list
Help or improvement ideas are welcome

so here is the list

HQ
Belial 130pts.

Troops
DW squad 1(Bealial's comand squad) 270pts.
-DW banner
-Apothecary

DW squad 2 225pts.
-2 TH and SS
-2 PF and SB
-1 HF and CF

DW squad 3 235pts.
-2 TH and SS
-2 PF and SB
-1 PF, SB, and CML

Heavy Support
Land Raider(for DW squad 2) 250pts.

Land Raider Crusader(for Belial and DW squad 1) 255pts.
-Multi-Melta(free)
-Storm Bolter

Vindicator 130pts.
-Dozer Blade

Total 1500pts

I am by no means an expert, but I have been play testing my deathwing army a lot the past couple month and one thing i find is, I like not mixing the storm bolters with the thunder hammers and or lighting claws units. I actually have completely dismantle all storm bolters from my army except for the interrogator chaplain. and mostly went with the cyclone missile launchers. My army is just completely terminators, and an occasional venerable dreadnought, no land raiders (rather have more terminators). I also used too deathwing assault all the time, but I now marching everything, allowing me too fire the heavy weapons as much as possible and keep the units in close proximity, to assist one another in assaults. Hope this helps any questions feel free to PM me.

I think you need some help understanding how Deathwing armies are supposed to look. Back before the GK codex came out and we could take Deamonhunter Inquisitors with unlimited range psychic hoods, but after the FAQ, double wing was one of the most competitive lists out there.

Belial, Lightning Claws - 130
Deathwing Terminators, Cyclone Missile Launcher, 5 x TH/SS - 235
Deathwing Terminators, Cyclone Missile Launcher, 5 x TH/SS - 235
Deathwing Terminators, Cyclone Missile Launcher, 5 x TH/SS - 235
Deathwing Terminators, Cyclone Missile Launcher, 5 x TH/SS - 235
Deathwing Terminators, Heavy Flamer, 5 x TH/SS - 220
Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launcher - 70
Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launcher - 70
Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launcher - 70
Total: 1500

Belial goes with the Heavy Flamer squad and arrives via Deathwing Assault. You have 25 TH/SS Terminators at 1500 points, plus 3 Land Speeders giving you a total of 14 Missiles per turn. Scary, no? This is one of those nightmare lists that I think about when making my own 1500 point lists.

I personally like to do a mix of TH/SS and regular PF/SB terminator squads with 1 TH/SS in the group. The reason for this is that very few things force more than 1 invul on terminators at long, and even short range (some things do, like vindicators, but they become your main targets), and the shooting from the storm bolters is actually pretty nice to have vs infantry (like, nids or orks), so i take 1 TH/SS to put invul saves on and 4 stormbolter guys, one of which has a cyclone missile launcher.

At 1500 i'd probably run 1-2 groups of TH/SS and 3-4 with only 1 TH/SS and the rest storm bolters. Something like this:

Belial, lightning claws - 130

5 termies, 5 TH/SS, cyclone missile launcher - 235
5 termies, 5 TH/SS, cyclone missile launcher - 235

5 termies, 1 TH/SS, cyclone missile launcher - 235
5 termies, 1 TH/SS, cyclone missile launcher - 235
5 termies, 1 TH/SS, cyclone missile launcher - 235

Speeder, MM - 65
Speeder, MM - 65
Speeder, MM - 65

1500

So, you have the speeders melta things the terminator missiles might have trouble with (land raiders and such), and then just walk the termies forward. They are slow, but almost impossible to kill at long range, so you get to shoot the enemy with missiles while they are forced to come to you.

At higher points i would trade out the speeders for bike squads with meltas and MM attack bikes, since the beacons can be nice if you want to do the deathwing assault thing, and more meltas = good, since its the only thing your termies don't really have.

I like that list, JCD386 - I may well use it myself. I was going to have 3 termie squads, a LR and the Ravenwing box set but I was worried that there wouldn't be enough troops and target saturation.

Taking your list, though, what would you put in there to take it up to 2000 points?

This is what I useally run at the 1500 pts mark. It has done good for me


1500 Pts - Dark Angels Roster

HQ: Belial, Master of the Deathwing (1#, 130 pts)
1 Belial, Master of the Deathwing, 130 pts Lightning claws (pair)

Troops: Upgraded Deathwing Terminator Squad (5#, 290 pts)
4 Upgraded Deathwing Terminator Squad, 290 pts Lightning Claws (pair) x3; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Apothecary; Standard Bearer
1 Sergeant Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield

Troops: Deathwing Terminator Squad (5#, 235 pts)
4 Deathwing Terminator Squad, 235 pts Lightning Claws (pair) x3; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1; Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Sergeant Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield

Troops: Deathwing Terminator Squad (5#, 235 pts)
4 Deathwing Terminator Squad, 235 pts Lightning Claws (pair) x3; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1; Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Sergeant Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield

Troops: Deathwing Terminator Squad (5#, 235 pts)
4 Deathwing Terminator Squad, 235 pts Lightning Claws (pair) x3; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1; Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Sergeant Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield

Fast Attack: Ravenwing Support Squadron (1#, 75 pts)
1 Ravenwing Support Squadron, 75 pts Heavy Bolter x1; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

Fast Attack: Ravenwing Support Squadron (1#, 75 pts)
1 Ravenwing Support Squadron, 75 pts Heavy Bolter x1; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

Fast Attack: Ravenwing Support Squadron (1#, 75 pts)
1 Ravenwing Support Squadron, 75 pts Heavy Bolter x1; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

Heavy Support: Vindicator (1#, 145 pts)
1 Vindicator, 145 pts Dozer Blade; Extra Armor

Validation Report:
c-1. File Version: 1.20 For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Battle Missions, Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Chapter: Dark Angels
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Composition Report:
HQ: 1 (1 - 2)
Elite: 0 (0 - 3)
Troops: 4 (2 - 6)
Fast: 3 (0 - 3)
Heavy: 1 (0 - 3)

Total Roster Cost: 1495

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At 2k switch 2 speeders out for bike squads with meltas and attack bikes with MMs. They scout forward and melta stuff turn 1, and the beacons help you drop Termies close if you need to.

You can fit 30 Termies and 2 bike squads at 2k, with some points left over for 1 speeder and a standard on the beliel squad if you want.

Um he wants help with 1.5k not 2k..

Um, someone also asked how to move my list up to 2k, so I answered them. I guess I should have quoted them, but I was on my phone. Sorry...

ha ha ha....missed that...Shows what i know.