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Hello, stuff I'm trying out.

Be brutal in your critiques!

HQ
Kor'Sarro Khan
-Moondrakkan

Command Squad
-SM Bikes, 5 SS, 5 PF

Troops
SM Bike Squad
-+5 Bikes, Attack Bike w/ MM, 2 Meltaguns

SM Bike Squad
-+5 Bikes, Attack Bike w/ MM, 2 Meltaguns

SM Bike Squad
-+5 Bikes, 2 Plasma Guns

Total: 1500

Thanks

This list only has 23 models total. Even for an army that isnt very shootie you would have problems. Id suggest Dropping the command squad and buy some tanks or sternguard. Right now where your list is at now i could easily wipe you turn 3 (Sister of Battle). Maybe if you tried this:


HQ:
Kor’Sarro Khan 205
moondrakken

Troops
Space marine bike squad x10, Power weapon, Melta gun x 2, Attack bike, Multimelta 300

Space marine bike squad x10, Power weapon, Melta gun x 2, Attack bike, Multimelta 300

Fast Attack:
Attack bike Multimelta 50

Attack bike Multimelta 50

Attack bike Multimelta 50

Elites:
Sternguard Veteran Squad x 10, 2 melta guns, 6 Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw, Melta Bombs, Drop Pod 245

TFC 100
TFC 100


Combat squad the Bike squads and Sternguard if you dont like the TFC maybe a vindicator or if you want to try even this:


HQ:
Kor’Sarro Khan 205
moondrakken

Troops
Space marine bike squad x10, Power weapon, Melta gun x 2, Attack bike, Multimelta 300

Space marine bike squad x10, Power weapon, Melta gun x 2, Attack bike, Multimelta 300

Fast Attack:
Attack bike Multimelta 50

Attack bike Multimelta 50

Attack bike Multimelta 50

Elites:
Assualt Terminators x 5 LRR 445


Either way you are 1500 on the dot and you bring more of a threat to the game. Good luck

I will be brutal.

xlEternitylx wrote:HQ
Kor'Sarro Khan
-Moondrakkan

No sense of using Korsarro.
No vehicles or dedicated transports of other units that will benefit from the outflank option.
5 PF on your CMD sq. that wouldn't benefit of Furious Charge.

A regular, and cheaper, captain on bike with just a Relic Blade will be hugely better for just 165 pts

xlEternitylx wrote:Command Squad
-SM Bikes, 5 SS, 5 PF

This is the worst CMD sq. setup I ever seen.

First of all the CMD sq. are badly upgraded. One of them, the Apothecary can't have any upgrade. Just 4 could be modified.
Second, the only decent setup that will profit from all the Korsarro's bonus is:
- Apothecary
- 4x Plasmagun + LC
- 5x bikes
Tot. 325 pts ( ... )

Having FNP you'll can use Plasmaguns quitely and LC are maybe the best weapon available to be used with Furous Charge and Hit and Run.

xlEternitylx wrote:SM Bike Squad
-+5 Bikes, Attack Bike w/ MM, 2 Meltaguns

Even if having sq.s at full number to be, eventually, splitted isn't properly a bad idea for Kill Points games, you'll can have a lot of special weapons more with MSU.

IE your sq. cost: 285

If instead you'll take this:
- 4x bikers - 2x meltaguns - MM Attack bike for 185 you'll can have for some points more (that you'll can find from the CMD sq.) a lot of shooting effectiveness, more than now in any case.

xlEternitylx wrote:SM Bike Squad
-+5 Bikes, 2 Plasma Guns

I love plasmaguns on bikers so why not. A unit like this, anyway, will diserve a MM Attack bike to be completed. And just for 25 pts more.

Besides, as most of bikes lists, you have nothing that will give you a little of long ranged support fire.

Here an example of list I advice you, even if I never play at 1500 pts.

HQ - Captain - Relic Blade - Artificier armor - bike. 180
EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125
EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 5x Scouts - 5x Camo Cloaks - 5x Rifles. 90
HV - Predator - Turret Autocannon - Sponsons Lascannons. 120
HV - Predator - Turret Autocannon - Sponsons Lascannons. 120
Tot. 1500

Or, if you don't like scouts:

HQ - Captain - Relic Blade - bike. 165
EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125
EL - Dreadnought - 2x TL Autocannons. 125
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 4x Bikers - 2x Meltaguns - MM Attack Bike. 185
TR - 4x Bikers - Serg. with Power Weapon - 2x Flamers - HB Attack Bike. 180 (<-- Captain unit)
FA - Land Speeder - TML - HB. 90
FA - Land Speeder - TML - HB. 90
HV - Predator - Turret Autocannon - Sponsons HBs. 85
HV - Predator - Turret Autocannon - Sponsons HBs. 85
Tot. 1500

Ok, Toban, you are saying use NO kossaro, and yet still use bikers as troops...Thats where im lost..Kossaro'Kahns ability reads: Mounted assult: If you include kossaro kahn in your army, a bike squad of 5 or more models (i dont know if this includes AB) may be taken as a troop choice.::: Thats what codex says, not exactly, but thats the idea. Heres a list i think would be good.

Hq: Kor'Sarro Kahn..Moondrakken........................205
Biker Chaplin: , SMB..................................140
.
Elites: Termies /w SS & TH, LRR (No MM)
For transport...........................................340

Troops:
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with MM
2 flamers on bikers..........................................205
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with MM
2 flamers on bikers..........................................205
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with HB 2 flamers on bikers..........................................195
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with HB 2 flamers on bikers..........................................195

Basicly the stratagy is to put chaplin with one squad, and kor'Sarro with another. The gives off 4 PW attack each turn (not counting charge) Try that out, idk how it would play but try it, it looks like a fun list..

That was perfect. Thanks! I think I'm understanding the bike idea better now

Edit: A captain on a bike allows bikes as troops also.

Icycold300 wrote:Ok, Toban, you are saying use NO kossaro, and yet still use bikers as troops...Thats where im lost..Kossaro'Kahns ability reads: Mounted assult: If you include kossaro kahn in your army, a bike squad of 5 or more models (i dont know if this includes AB) may be taken as a troop choice.::: Thats what codex says, not exactly, but thats the idea. Heres a list i think would be good.

Hq: Kor'Sarro Kahn..Moondrakken........................205
Biker Chaplin: , SMB..................................140
.
Elites: Termies /w SS & TH, LRR (No MM)
For transport...........................................340

Troops:
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with MM
2 flamers on bikers..........................................205
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with MM
2 flamers on bikers..........................................205
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with HB 2 flamers on bikers..........................................195
5x Bikers-Sargent with PW-Attack bike with HB 2 flamers on bikers..........................................195

Basicly the stratagy is to put chaplin with one squad, and kor'Sarro with another. The gives off 4 PW attack each turn (not counting charge) Try that out, idk how it would play but try it, it looks like a fun list..

Captain entry: if a Captain has a bike than bikers sq. of 5 could be selected as Troops.

You are wasting points if you take moondrakken and a captian with a bike. Khan on a bike is pretty beastly if you throw him in a combat sqaud with a PW and 2 plasma/melta guns wither way you are looking at a very agressive unit. Command squads arent bad for higher point games if you want to make them beastly in assault. With 1500 point games you want to try and trim the fat ie Capt on bike & Command squad. But if you dont think you are going to utilize Khans ability change who you take (Vulkin with the sterngaurd). you want to use what ever Independent character you choice to his fullest. I like combat squading my 2 big bike squads to the sgt 2 melta guns and 2 reg bikes for an effective squad then use the attack bike and the other 3 bikes as more of an objective holding unit with a decent weapon (MM).

also Icycold300:
your terminators & LRR are 100 points off on that list it is 445 points.

Ok, Toban, you are saying use NO kossaro, and yet still use bikers as troops...Thats where im lost..

A regular Captain on a bike allows you to take bikes as troops too.

If I fit in some termies, and dedicated them a LR of any type, can that outflank (as it is a dedicated transport)?

Also, a bit of a tangent, but would Calgar also be able to outflank if Khan was in?

Here's where I'm standing so far with my own Kor'Sarro biker boyz

Kor'Sarro Khan / 205pts
Moondrakkan

Command Squad / 365pts
Bikes
4x Lightning Claw
4x Meltagun
4x Storm Shield

Biker Squad 1 / 215pts
+2 Bikers
Attack Bike with Heavy Bolter
x2 Flamer
Power Fist

Biker Squad 2 / 215pts
+2 Bikers
Attack Bike with Heavy Bolter
x2 Flamer
Power Fist

Biker Squad 3 / 235pts
+2 Bikers
Attack Bike with Multi-Melta
x2 Meltagun
Power Fist

Land Speeder Squad / 220pts
+1 Land Speeder
2x Typhoon Missile Launcher
2x Multi-Melta

Total so far 1455 points.

It's got plenty of wiggle room.

make the speeders seperate squads...nothing like immobilizing one so then it is destroyed..believe me...

hi all ive got a brill list but was wonderin if it would work so here i go

1500pts

HQ
Kor'sarro kahn on moon drakken 205pts
Command squad 3 power swords 1 chapter banner 1champion and 2 plasma guns + apothocary all on bikes 325pts
TROOPS
Bike squad of 5 ,SGT has power sword and 1 bike has a melta gun 165pt
Bike squad of 5 ,SGT has power sword and 1 bike has a melta gun 165pt
ELITES
5 assult terminators all with lightning clawsin a landraider redeemer with a stormbolter on top 450pts
Ironclad dreadnaut with seismichammer 2 hunterkillers and huricane bolter in a drop pod 190pts
HEAVY SUPPORT
Preadetor with a stormbolter on top

i think its brill but what do you think

You only have two scoring units if my first complaint.

Assault termies neither fit in or are needed. Bike lists work by not giving the enemy stuff to shoot at and assault termies work as the cc threat but you already have that.

Your squads need tuning. 4 bikers with attack bike then give them two plasma, flamer or melta. Plasma is the most fun.

Drop podding iron clads is fool hardy, especially when most of your army is off the board.

The pred will lonely and a target.

So dropping the last three items. Then you should add stormshields to the commmand squad actually I woud give them melta guns as they will be getting close anyway and will have hit and run. Get another couple of bike squads and maybe some typhoons to give fast ranged attack to finish.