Point-efficient Wizards

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**Mr. Running**

So I had a question for all of the players with experience with most of the armies, which wizard is the most efficient points wise.

**Scarecrow456**

Empire or skaven would be my vote. Both start pretty cheap (don't have the point values on hand), and can do their job.

**Spartan 117**

Skaven I think is the hands down best point wise

**UberhAxTHC**

High Elf Archmage with a Book of Hoeth is definitely worth the points. Tzeentch Heralds with Master of Sorcery and Spell Breaker are really, really good too.

**DukeRustfield**

Depends on what you mean. If you just mean getting a lvl 4 caster, there's plenty that are dirt cheap. But if you mean bang for you buck, there is no naked wizard more point-efficient than a basic Slann.

A T4 W5 ward 4+ lvl 4 wizard with cold blood and a Discipline of your choice for 275. It's pretty silly.

**HoverBoy**

Aye slaan are mean and even naked get a discipline, my vote is on Becalming.

**cowpow16**

Chaos Sorcerer Lord 420 Gen
Mot
Lvl 4
Biting Blade
Enchanted Shield
Talisman of Preservation
power familiar
Disc
roar

420 Points of I will make your day suck so bad

now if he has pandaemonium and gateway maybe even flickering fire you are set he is awesome.

**obsidianaura**

A High Liche Priest seems pretty good value

For 280 you can have a level 4 wizard with book of asher

**Question**

Slann are under priced...they get a 45 pt item for free, can be a BSB, has a bunker unt option where they can hide in the second rank, has free loremaster...

On the opposite side, HE and DE wizards are overpriced. HE archmages pay 50 pts more than a empire wizard lord in exchange for +1 LD and +1 dispel(and its not even a dispel DICE which WPs and runesmitsh have).

**Ralin Givens**

My vote goes to the 240 point Grey Seer, Lvl 4 with two lores and can fit in a 1000 point list

**Thunderfrog**

The Slaan easily is the most point efficient caster.

The Chaos Sorc build posted is less Wizard and more jack of all trades... And he's 420 points, so He's damn near 1/4 of your army in a 2000 pt game.

Slaan own that.

**HoverBoy**

A 420 slaan would outcast and shutdown that lord's casting.

Edit: Heck thats 3 Disciplines and cupped hands...

**streamdragon**

Ralin Givens wrote:My vote goes to the 240 point Grey Seer, Lvl 4 with two lores and can fit in a 1000 point list

Don't forget the D3 warpstone tokens!

**AlmightyWalrus**

Does Teclis count?

**Wysten**

Night Goblin Sharmins only cost a small amount for a level one, with additional D6 to any dice rolls they make, stealing dispell dice and all sorts of annoyingness.

That being said, one of the formentioned is probably more effective.

**UberhAxTHC**

Yeah, Night Goblin Shamans are beast. Those magic mushrooms really tip the magic phase in their favor, and their lore attribute is painful.

**Aerethan**

Teclis is easily the most points effective mage as you get all the perks of mass IF without all the pesky dying from miscasts.

**Thunderfrog**

Teclis is a good arguement, but he's also a special character. I still vote for a slaan with either rumination or becalming. The latter kinda punches Teclis in the nuts.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Thunderfrog wrote:Teclis is a good arguement, but he's also a special character. I still vote for a slaan with either rumination or becalming. The latter kinda punches Teclis in the nuts.

Unless Teclis just stays away from the Slann or just laughs as he shuts the Slann's magic phase down? You do realise that Teclis doesn't need sixes to IF, yes?

**HoverBoy**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Thunderfrog wrote:Teclis is a good arguement, but he's also a special character. I still vote for a slaan with either rumination or becalming. The latter kinda punches Teclis in the nuts.

Unless Teclis just stays away from the Slann or just laughs as he shuts the Slann's magic phase down? You do realise that Teclis doesn't need sixes to IF, yes?

You realise he still needs to meet the casting value, loosing a six or two may stop him from that.

**Thunderfrog**

What Hoverboy said.. that's where I was going with that.