Does Deep Striking count as movement?

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**Grey elder**

Does deep striking count as movement? Pretty simple question does entering the board Via deep strike count as moving, for instance does a drop pod actually count as being moved and hence cannot be put within one inch of a model, or is Deep Striking something completely different that just takes place in the movement phase?

**don_mondo**

Well, given that the deep strike rules say you mishap if you land within an inch of an enemy model, it's really kind of irrelevant. But yes, deep striking counts as moving.

**Grey elder**

don_mondo wrote:Well, given that the deep strike rules say you mishap if you land within an inch of an enemy model, it's really kind of irrelevant. But yes, deep striking counts as moving.

But then if deep striking counts as movement how can you legally place your drop pod within 1 inch of an enemy model and have it mishap because you just rolled a direct hit and now it is within 1 inch of that enemy model.

**Kilkrazy**

I believe the Pod rules say you move it to a safe distance.

**Grey elder**

Kilkrazy wrote:I believe the Pod rules say you move it to a safe distance.

If you scatter I on the other hand got a direct hit

and mis-hap cause me to lgo back into reserve.

**Darkjediben**

You only reduce scatter with the DP rules. If you purposefully placed it less than an inch away, and rolled a direct hit, you suffer the mishap. The reason the 'cannot ever place within one inch' rule doesn't come into effect here is that the rules for placing Deep Striking models are more specific than the general movement rules, and specific > general.

**juraigamer**

Yes if you put your pod too close to something, the guidance system doesn't take effect because you only get it if you scatter. So you mishap.

**time wizard**

Grey elder wrote:
don_mondo wrote:Well, given that the deep strike rules say you mishap if you land within an inch of an enemy model, it's really kind of irrelevant. But yes, deep striking counts as moving.

But then if deep striking counts as movement how can you legally place your drop pod within 1 inch of an enemy model and have it mishap because you just rolled a direct hit and now it is within 1 inch of that enemy model.

Because the first thing you do is place the model where you would like it to arrive.
You then roll for scatter which shows how far and in which direction the model moves away from the intended position.
That is then the final position where the unit arrives.
It is at that point that you check to see if a deep strike mishap has occurred.

**don_mondo**

Kilkrazy wrote:I believe the Pod rules say you move it to a safe distance.

No, that's NOT what the Pod rules say. The Pod rules allow you to reduce the scatter, so if you start in the open and scatter onto something, you can move it back towards the starting point until you reach a safe spot for it to land. However, if your silly enough to start the pod on or within 1" of enemy models and you roll a hit, well, you cannot reduce towards your starting point to find a safe landing spot, so you mishap.
Lesson, don't start on or near enemy models.

**insaniak**

Grey elder wrote:But then if deep striking counts as movement how can you legally place your drop pod within 1 inch of an enemy model and have it mishap because you just rolled a direct hit and now it is within 1 inch of that enemy model.

That's always been a bone of contention. However, some people feel that he Deep Strike rules stating that you place the model anywhere on the board over-rides the usual restriction on moving within 1" of an enemy model.

This is backed up somewhat by the Tyranid FAQ:

Tyranid FAQ wrote:Q: Can a Mawloc choose to Deep Strike onto a point
occupied by an enemy model on purpose in order to
use the Terror from the Deep special rule?
A: Yes

**Grey elder**

But It clearly states that they count as having moved Crusing speed in the movement phase, but this only comes into effect in the shooting phase so from what I gather arriving from deepstrike is not a form of movement right?

But there is a line stating that a model arriving from DeepStrike may not move any further, would that inferr that the model had to, or did move for this to happen?

**don_mondo**

Grey elder wrote:But It clearly states that they count as having moved flat out in the movement phase, but this only comes into effect in the shooting phase so from what I gather arriving from deepstrike is not a form of movement right? But there is a line stating that a model arriving from DeepStrike may not move any further, would that inferr that the model had to, or did move for this to happen?

They? As in vehicles (since only vehicles move flat out)? Might want to re-read that portion of the rules, since it clearly states something other than flat out (hint - Cruising speed). Again, what difference does it make. If it lands within an inch of an enemy model, it mishaps so whether or not it "moved" is totally irrelevant. And yes, I'll say it again. A unit that deep strikes counts as having moved.

**Lordhat**

Grey elder wrote:But there is a line stating that a model arriving from DeepStrike may not move any further, would that inferr that the model had to, or did move for this to happen?

All references to DS and movement indicate that, yes, DS is movement. As for a rule that says specifically "A unit that uses the deepstrike rule is moving.", you will not find one.

**Grey elder**

Neat.

**Janthkin**

don_mondo wrote:They? As in vehicles (since only vehicles move flat out)? Might want to re-read that portion of the rules, since it clearly states something other than flat out (hint - Cruising speed). Again, what difference does it make. If it lands within an inch of an enemy model, it mishaps so whether or not it "moved" is totally irrelevant. And yes, I'll say it again. A unit that deep strikes counts as having moved.

Reading between the lines (and give this quote:

Grey elder wrote:If you scatter I on the other hand got a direct hit and mis-hap cause me to lgo back into reserve.

), I suspect that the OP wants to be able to argue that he could never place his initial model w/in 1" of an enemy model, as that would violate the movement rules, and so couldn't have his Drop Pod mishap on a "Hit."

I don't think that's the case. You don't check until after resolving the Deep Strike.

**nosferatu1001**

It also specificaly states you can "PLACE" the model "ANYWHERE"

Placing /= movement, anywhere means exactly that

**TheGreatAvatar**

Go here for the discussion about DS a drop pod:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385037.page

DS does count as moving, however, some units have special rules that override some of the DS rules.