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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 02:35:23
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Civil war, drought, and famine have hit this area of the world hardest. Aid restricted by group suspicious of western influence, ineffectual central government, massive loss of life already coupled with refugee flood.
In short, what could possibly be done to help these people?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/somalis-flee-famine-along-roads-of-death/2011/07/25/gIQApW0VZI_story.html
DOLO, Somalia — The displaced first began coming through Dolo, just a few miles from the Ethiopian border, in March. Now, the trickle has become a flood. The new arrivals clutch small bags of clothes and other meager possessions. Their children are thin, some emaciated. Almost every child appears small for his or her age. But they are the fortunate ones: They have survived their journeys, at least for now.
To get here, many have walked scores of miles, some more than a hundred. Almost everyone has passed bodies of mothers, children and the elderly — anyone too weakened by hunger to escape with their lives.
Tens of thousands of Somalis, mostly women and children, are on the move, fleeing the worst famine in a generation in this Horn of Africa nation. Resilient Somalis have endured two decades of civil war and two consecutive seasons of failed rains. Now, after their livestock and crops have died, and with their babies suffering from malnutrition and food prices skyrocketing, they have given up any pretense that they can survive on their own.
Any hope of the world helping them has also faded. Al-Shabab, the militia linked to al-Qaeda that rules large swaths of famine-stricken southern Somalia, has barred international aid agencies from delivering assistance to regions it controls. It has heavily taxed ordinary Somalis on food and other goods, exacerbating the crisis. In fact, the militia denies a famine is taking place, disputing the United Nations’ contention that tens of thousands of Somalis, mostly children, have died because of it.
Yet nearly 170,000 Somalis have fled to already-overcrowded refugee camps in neighboring Kenya and Ethiopia since January, according to U.N. figures released Monday. In Kenya, about 1300 Somalis are arriving daily; an average of 1700 are entering Ethiopia. Most emerge from their grueling journeys bearing scars that probably will not fade anytime soon.
Xukun Muhumed walked more than 130 miles to seek help for her thin baby, sickened by hunger. As she trudged slowly across the bleak landscape, choked by famine and drought, she wondered whether her infant son, Sadik, would survive.
“If Allah wants him to die, he will die,” said Muhumed, her voice dropping. “I have seen many people who have died along the way.”
“These are becoming roads of death,” Josette Sheeran, executive director of the U.N. World Food Program told reporters in Nairobi over the weekend. “Over half the women I talked to had to leave children to die or had children die.”
“In the Horn [of Africa], we could lose a generation,” she added. “Those that survive could be affected deeply.”
On Sunday, Muhumed held her frail son in this border town, where they had arrived a day earlier after a month-long journey. Sadik was listless, his eyes half closed, his skin leathery from malnutrition. Moments earlier, he had vomited the little milk he had swallowed.
There were no doctors, no aid agencies distributing food. Many of the new arrivals sat under trees or on vacant patches of land, waiting for help.
I am asking the international community to give me medication to help my child and food to feed my family,” Muhumed pleaded. “So far, I have not gotten any support.”
The last time famine struck Somalia with such intensity was in 1992, killing hundreds of thousands and triggering a U.S.-led peacekeeping mission that ended with 18 American soldiers killed in a 1993 battle in the capital, Mogadishu. Last week, the United Nations formally declared famine in two southern Somali regions, and aid officials predict that the entire south could join the list within a month or two. About 3.2 million people in Somalia need lifesaving assistance, the United Nations said. As many as 19 to 24 children per 10,000 under age 5 are dying every day in some areas, according to the World Food Program.
For months, Hawa Madey relied on her relatives for help. Her family’s crops had mostly failed, and her herd of cattle and goats had died. The conflict had isolated her area, slashing trade with other regions. The price of sorghum, the staple food, had soared more than 70 percent there.
In 2009, al-Shabab banned aid agencies from areas it controlled, accusing them of being Western spies or Christian crusaders. This year, growing U.S. strikes against the militia have heightened suspicions and complicated negotiations to provide aid, U.N. officials said. Last week, al-Shabab reversed a pledge to allow foreign aid agencies to enter its areas to help victims.
The militants also undermined whatever meager food Madey could sell in the market. They demanded an Islamic tax, called zakat, for everything she sold. Such a tax is typically 5 to 10 percent, but she said the fighters exacted much more. Then, her relatives lost their crops and livestock — and it was time to leave.
“We have nothing now,” said Madey, 25, who arrived in Dolo on Saturday night with her two children after walking 60 miles over four days.
She looked at her children, ages 2 and 3 months. They had yellowing skin and small sores on their heads, signs of severe malnutrition. Madey said softly: “I worry a lot about what will happen to my babies. Can you help?”
Nearby, seated under a leafless tree, 1-year-old Amiso was in worse shape. She suffered from diarrhea and anemia. Her eyelids were white. “Since she was born, we have fed her only diluted milk,” said her mother, Gani Ibrahim.
They had walked for two days from an area controlled by Somalia’s weak and corrupt U.S.-backed transitional government, which has devoted few resources to alleviate the crisis. The government is focused on preventing al-Shabab from creating an Islamic emirate in Somalia — the latest incarnation of civil war since the country was plunged into chaos by the overthrow of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991.
Help from the international community has been slow to arrive. Aid agencies have been sounding the alarm for months, but funding from the United States and other Western donors is several hundred million dollars short of what is needed. At the Dollo Ado refugee camp in Ethiopia, where many of the displaced in Dolo were heading, an additional 13,000 tents are needed to meet the fresh influx, said the United Nations’ refugee agency.
Meanwhile, aid agencies are struggling to keep the flood of refugees from overwhelming neighboring countries. The World Food Program is planning to open new feeding sites in Dolo by the end of the week, but that could be too late for infants such as Sadik, whose bodies have swiftly deteriorated after their long journeys.
Muhumed knows she cannot return home. Her cattle and goats are dead. Her husband was on the way to Dolo, along with their four other children. She wiped away Sadik’s vomit from her red blouse and resumed waiting in a line to sign up for food aid. If they don’t get food and medication here, she said, they will cross into Ethiopia.
With each passing day, she worries that her boy will die. “If we don’t get support, it will happen,” she said matter-of-factly, as if she had prepared herself for the worst.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 02:49:17
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Phanobi
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
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hate to say it,but america should not help. were stretching are selves out to thin and soon the rubber band might snap. id say there are other places we dont need to be but we need to leave those places 1st.
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Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f  g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f  r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f  g time! [Pause] I didn't think so. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 02:57:25
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:hate to say it,but america should not help. were stretching are selves out to thin and soon the rubber band might snap. id say there are other places we dont need to be but we need to leave those places 1st.
The 'shift' key and proper grammar are your friend on forums.
Your post should be reading as:
"I hate to say it, but America should not help. We're stretching ourselves out too thin and soon the rubber band might snap. I'd say there are other places we don't need to be, but we need to leave those places first".
I'm not saying this to be mean, but do note that as per The Rules "Posts that contain poor spelling, grammar, punctuation or that are highly distracting (all bold, filled with emoticons, etc.) may be deleted". Working on your grammar and taking time on writing out a post that people want to read, rather than just hit the report button on for being riddled with incomprehensible musings will help you out in the long run.
As for Somalia, it's a craphole and has been for a long time. The biggest issue is the tribal loyalties that pervade the country. There's no unified national identity and a pervading undertone of the strong taking what they want from the weak.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 03:00:45
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Tricky one, Somalia. They have oil, but not a lot Libya has more so you will prolly be alright for a bit and not get involved. Which is good cos then our overstretched, under funded forces won't either. Phew! Edited for the addition of a comma in case Kanners shouts at me too!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 03:26:57
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Not sure anyone can help. I know this sounds ignorant but bear with me.
We give them ALL (not one faction) better weapons. One side finally wins, and hopfully brings stability to the region. Its extreme, but not other solution has worked. We can realistically only let them continue to fight and hope a faction finally wins.
Its a movie quote from "Black Hawk Down", but I think it holds a gem of truth: "With out victory, there can be no peace."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 03:42:50
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Not our business, stay out of it.
That said, I wish such things were also true of our actions in regards to countries with "resources;" i.e. Iraq, Libya, Afganistan (no resources, but hey, we still occupy it), and our virtual puppet regimes in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. That goes without mentioning the billions we hand out in foreign aid to dictators and democracies alike (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, ect.)
In short, the U.S. should not be in the police business. But that's just my 2 cents.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 03:59:02
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Phanobi
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
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Kanluwen wrote:lord commissar klimino wrote:hate to say it,but america should not help. were stretching are selves out to thin and soon the rubber band might snap. id say there are other places we dont need to be but we need to leave those places 1st.
The 'shift' key and proper grammar are your friend on forums.
Your post should be reading as:
"I hate to say it, but America should not help. We're stretching ourselves out too thin and soon the rubber band might snap. I'd say there are other places we don't need to be, but we need to leave those places first".
I'm not saying this to be mean, but do note that as per The Rules "Posts that contain poor spelling, grammar, punctuation or that are highly distracting (all bold, filled with emoticons, etc.) may be deleted". Working on your grammar and taking time on writing out a post that people want to read, rather than just hit the report button on for being riddled with incomprehensible musings will help you out in the long run.
As for Somalia, it's a craphole and has been for a long time. The biggest issue is the tribal loyalties that pervade the country. There's no unified national identity and a pervading undertone of the strong taking what they want from the weak.
never going to happen. i try,but i know im not good. never will be.pretty much you wasting your fingers energy.
on topic:
i also think we should stop them from immigrating to other countries.unless it legal.
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Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f  g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f  r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f  g time! [Pause] I didn't think so. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 04:03:23
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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Unfortunately, with the state of things, we can't really help much by interfering.
I'd say stay out and hope that as Cortez said, one faction wins out and brings some degree of stability.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 04:15:36
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Hauptmann
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Hmm, how to help a hopeless gak hole? Hmm. I got nothing nice.
Somalia is a bit beyond help.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 05:26:22
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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I gave £50 to the UNICEF famine relief fund. I hope that will help a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 05:41:54
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Nice, Killkrazy. In all seriousness, that might be the solution: Help the population be well-fed, access to medical supplies, and put the population to work. And that might keep the warlords from fighting over resourses...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 05:58:37
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The UNICEF people said the important thing at first is to distribute money among the population so they can buy food.
There are traders in the surrounding countries who have food and want to sell it.
It's much easier to distribute money than food. The people will then organise markets themselves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 06:43:25
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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We think our politiians are corrupt, they having nothing on African leaders. I don't think anything can really be done until there is a seachange and old tribal habits are removed. I've always wondered what made the West able to develop democracy, but African nations are still happy to go around wiping each other out based on tribal lines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 07:16:12
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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I admit to being a little perplexed at the reasons people will come up with to explain why they can't help other people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 07:21:28
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Infiltrating Prowler
wocka flocka rocka shocka
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My god, this thread has made me depressed.
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captain fantastic wrote: Seems like this thread is all that's left of Remilia Scarlet (the poster).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 07:23:32
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Manstein wrote:Not our business, stay out of it.
Neither was vietnam, the gulf, afghansitan...
Kind of sad where there's more news coverage of amy whinehouse than this...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 07:30:44
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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A large UN peacekeeping force that can actually shoot people attacking civilians or themselves might do the trick. Build up sheltered towns with living space, water, food, schools etc, protect them from the idiots who want nothing better than to wipe each other out, and get the general population back on its feet again before taking out the tribal fighters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 07:39:15
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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SilverMK2 wrote:A large UN peacekeeping force that can actually shoot people attacking civilians or themselves might do the trick. Build up sheltered towns with living space, water, food, schools etc, protect them from the idiots who want nothing better than to wipe each other out, and get the general population back on its feet again before taking out the tribal fighters.
Zombie survival style...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 07:48:03
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Supply them with more guns? They have plenty of guns, and some use them to attack ships passing nearby.
Somalia is a failed country, it's just fallen apart with the legitimate government in the south not being able to enforce order, this means that the north is controlled by bandits who have all the guns. These areas were divided between warlords who fought with each other, they would steal all the aid and keep it letting the people starve. When the Americans went to kill on of these warlords the Somalis attacked them in droves which is what Black Hawk Down was about. After that the Americans said they wouldn't help people biting the hand that feeds and withdrew. But years later Islamic fundamentalism became a problem, and like the old fear of communism the Americans interfered again, this time to supply the warlords with weapons to get the fundamentalists under control, but while this seems to have worked they also have taken to piracy using the weapons that the country is awash with after decades of fighting so now no one will supply them with stuff, the country is a hazard to international shipping.
When this famine started the people of the south fled and the bandits of the north murdered, raped and robbed them repeatedly for whatever they could get. The problem is that there are thousands of them, victims of the drought, and victims of their own countrymen. If you supply aid, they will have it stolen by people who keep it for themselves of will sell it to buy yet more guns. The idea that supplying people with more guns is just stupid, they've been killing each other for years and have now taken to piracy on the high seas. Countries like the US loath to become involved again even though their past interference has not helped.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 10:53:54
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Just don't get involved. It isn't our country and we have no duty or right to tell them how to act (yes a lot of wars have nothing to do with us but they weren't any more justified). We have problems in our own countries where the money would be far more beneficial. If we want to help focus on supplying the refugees that have made it out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 12:31:01
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Manstein wrote:...Afganistan (no resources, but hey, we still occupy it)...
Actually, Afghanistan has tons of natural resources, notably natural gas. There's also the proposed Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline.
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...and our virtual puppet regimes in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Eh, Saudi Arabia isn't really an American puppet. The Sauds are on good terms with just about everyone, and tend to take a political stance which is ambivalent to everything unrelated to oil, or defense. In practice that means they don't often take an active role in global politics as an influence, though they are often the subject of discussion. Automatically Appended Next Post: SilverMK2 wrote:A large UN peacekeeping force that can actually shoot people attacking civilians or themselves might do the trick. Build up sheltered towns with living space, water, food, schools etc, protect them from the idiots who want nothing better than to wipe each other out, and get the general population back on its feet again before taking out the tribal fighters.
That is the essence of nation-building, and its how the British were able to leave so many established democracies in the Caribbean. It would probably work in Somalia, but it would be extremely expensive, and take 50-60 years.
Alternatively, we could give Al-Shabaab lots of guns, and let them take over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 14:12:26
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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As for Somalia, it's a craphole and has been for a long time. The biggest issue is the tribal loyalties that pervade the country. There's no unified national identity and a pervading undertone of the strong taking what they want from the weak.
Word.
We should stay out completely.
Throwing money at them will be just as effective as throwing money has been at palestina.
Might just as well burn them up instead.
Maybe in the future IF china and US stops screwing each other oil interests in africa over we might start to see a change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 18:13:57
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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dogma wrote:That is the essence of nation-building, and its how the British were able to leave so many established democracies in the Caribbean. It would probably work in Somalia, but it would be extremely expensive, and take 50-60 years. I'm pretty sure I still have my red jacket somewhere and I have nothing better to do for the next few years...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 19:13:40
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Somolia is a hole, there is no doubt. There have been terrorist factions and militants telling various agencies that they won't even let them in to help people because they are spies and whatnot. All of those people are going to have to leave to get anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 19:35:23
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Phototoxin wrote:
Kind of sad where there's more news coverage of amy whinehouse than this...
Because Amy Winehouse is "new" and "sensational" news stuff. Somalia is old and dried up, like Amy Winehouse has become. Its already been said, but most 1st World countries have far too many problems of their own to deal with another pit of a country (though the US Navy, and other naval entities around the globe are actively engaging in operations against Somali Pirates). We send too much aid to too many countries that have little to offer to the international community, especially when there are so many starving and homeless people within our own respective countries. Granted some of the homeless in the US are homeless by choice, but some are due to poor economic times, and an inability to get work.
I do fail to see why anyone should help a country that tore itself apart, goes the same way for much of the continent. More often than not, IMO the famines that we see in the regions are caused more by wars and internecine conflicts than by the weather.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 19:43:36
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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What about helping people?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 19:56:54
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Because it's not our responsibility. There are thousands of people in our own countries that are starving or getting ill because the have no money.
The culture is not suited to maintaining a peaceful country. The only way we a re going to get peace for tehm is to enforce it ourself which is something we have no right to do. If they choose to fight and kill each other let them- it is their country. We would get angry if someone told us how to act but because we are more powerful we think we have the right to order others around. Facilitate and fund refugee camps- let everyone who wants peace evacuate somalia and leave the warlords to killing each other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 20:32:41
Subject: Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Combat Jumping Rasyat
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I find it incredible, absolutely incredible that the US can't find a single charismatic strong man with pro-western leanings to run the country. All the US has to do is front the money for weapons, ammunition, aid and maybe some special forces "advisers". It shouldn't even cost too much since we'd be training shoddy Somalian militia to beat up on other shoddy Somalian militia. It's not like teaching Afghan tribals to shoot down Hinds. I bet the US could have a fully functional pro US dictatorship running the country within 5 years if we wanted. It's a shame we're too selfish to do something about the situation in Somalia.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 20:41:47
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I do fail to see why anyone should help a country that tore itself apart, goes the same way for much of the continent. More often than not, IMO the famines that we see in the regions are caused more by wars and internecine conflicts than by the weather.
Yeah, I would expect a European to say that. Automatically Appended Next Post: 4M2A wrote:Because it's not our responsibility. There are thousands of people in our own countries that are starving or getting ill because the have no money.
No, they're starving and getting ill because they're lazy and emasculated. Real men don't starve, or get ill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 20:57:21
Subject: Re:Somalia- Drought, Famine, Civil War
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Combat Jumping Rasyat
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dogma wrote:Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I do fail to see why anyone should help a country that tore itself apart, goes the same way for much of the continent. More often than not, IMO the famines that we see in the regions are caused more by wars and internecine conflicts than by the weather.
Yeah, I would expect a European to say that.
loling
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