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So if the nids/necrons started wiping out human worlds by their thousands, do you think the chaos gods would get weaker as there are less and less minds experiencing the emotions that give them form? (I assume the eldar are a non issue due to their low numbers etc)
Do you think it is the case that should the last vestiges of humanity be destroyed, the chaos gods could lose their identity and purpose and dissolve back into the tides of the warp? Would the human followers of chaos within the eye of terror alone be enough to sustain their patron gods?

I think that would be the case, yes. I don't think that their followers would be able to sustain them for long, or in fact survive without their power.

Maybe.

But as long as they are worshipped they will exist. The Gods are the Warp, so as long as the Warp exists they will to. Their power would be greatly diminished and their influence no where near as strong. But who cares if there is nothing outside of the Eye or Maelstrom to worship you.

The extermination of their followers might lead to more fanatical worship and make them stronger for a time.

It's not something that the Chaos Gods are going to take likely. I can't imagine that Necrons like warp rifts and I'm not sure if Tyranids can add Daemonflesh to their Biomass. If the Gods let rip with a lot of Daemons and Sorcery there could be a stalemate.

I know the Necrons and the Chaos gods really hate each other, and fought a lot before the Necrons went dormant. And daemons can't be sustained for long outside the eye of terror, so the necrons or 'nid would just roll over everything and then grind to a halt outside the eye.

But are they given more power by the total number of worshippers, or the proportion of all of the overall worshippers which they have?

hellspawn22 wrote:I know the Necrons and the Chaos gods really hate each other, and fought a lot before the Necrons went dormant. And daemons can't be sustained for long outside the eye of terror, so the necrons or 'nid would just roll over everything and then grind to a halt outside the eye.

So the Chaos gods existed before mankind and really hate the Necrons/C'tan and fought them a lot.. so do you think chaos gods are possibly old ones and created mankind and the other races to sustain themselves?

Daedricbob wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:I know the Necrons and the Chaos gods really hate each other, and fought a lot before the Necrons went dormant. And daemons can't be sustained for long outside the eye of terror, so the necrons or 'nid would just roll over everything and then grind to a halt outside the eye.

So the Chaos gods existed before mankind and really hate the Necrons/C'tan and fought them a lot.. so do you think chaos gods are possibly old ones and created mankind and the other races to sustain themselves?

No. The Old Ones are dead and gone.
The Necrons are the antithesis of the Warp and vice versa.

hellspawn22 wrote:I know the Necrons and the Chaos gods really hate each other, and fought a lot before the Necrons went dormant. And daemons can't be sustained for long outside the eye of terror, so the necrons or 'nid would just roll over everything and then grind to a halt outside the eye.

This is where warp storms and temples come into play

Daedricbob wrote:
So the Chaos gods existed before mankind and really hate the Necrons/C'tan and fought them a lot.. so do you think chaos gods are possibly old ones and created mankind and the other races to sustain themselves?

The Chaos Gods are relatively young compared to the Necrons and Old Ones as it was actions in the war in Heaven that started to create 3 of them. Khorne was the first to awaken and came into being around the middle ages and Slaanesh being the last who awoke in M31 after the decadence of the Eldar caused their fall.

Did ALpharius not turn traitor because Horus' destruction of humanity would have brought abut the destruction of both humanity and the chaos gods?

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Did ALpharius not turn traitor because Horus' destruction of humanity would have brought abut the destruction of both humanity and the chaos gods?

Ha ha ... yeah ... Tzeentch pulled off a great one here didn't he

I jest

Well, I don't think the temples would do much in the way of hampering a 'nid or Necron domination: they require worshipers, and neither of those are capable of falling to Chaos. The warp storms would be the same as they ever are, enough to be a major annoyance, but not enough to bring an Empire to its knees. So if the Imperium goes down, then whatever replaces it will be in much the same position. Forced to guard against attacks coming from the Eye and from Warp Storms.

Of course, if the Imperium is destroyed from within by Chaos, the entire Imperium would turn into one big Eye of Terror.

As long as there is hatred, despair, excess and false hope in abundance the Chaos Gods will exist. They don't even need active worshipers to exist ( although worshippers are useful to create a climate in which said "emotions", for lack of a better word, are plentiful ). So yes, Alpharious got duped. Sucks to be him.

The chaos gods are sustained by the raw emotions of humans hence why khorne the first chaos god was born form all the anger and wars of humanity and etc, and from what i have read it does seem the crons and chaos gods are at war hence why the crons have weapons that can force deamons back into the warp *read dark creed*

hellspawn22 wrote:Well, I don't think the temples would do much in the way of hampering a 'nid or Necron domination: they require worshipers, and neither of those are capable of falling to Chaos. The warp storms would be the same as they ever are, enough to be a major annoyance, but not enough to bring an Empire to its knees. So if the Imperium goes down, then whatever replaces it will be in much the same position. Forced to guard against attacks coming from the Eye and from Warp Storms.

Of course, if the Imperium is destroyed from within by Chaos, the entire Imperium would turn into one big Eye of Terror.

No, you miss my point, Temples and Warp Storms are conduits for the Daemons. If you were to keep a warpstorm open then you could have a constant supply of Daemons. The Warp isn't such an issue for the Tyranids but the Necrons wouldn't like it very much.

inharntdispoile wrote:The chaos gods are sustained by the raw emotions of humans hence why khorne the first chaos god was born form all the anger and wars of humanity and etc, and from what i have read it does seem the crons and chaos gods are at war hence why the crons have weapons that can force deamons back into the warp *read dark creed*

Eldar are a very psychic race and it's not just humans that the Chaos Gods feed off of, there are other races out there that worship chaos. Humans just seem to be the most susceptible to corruption. Chaos doesn't have much to do with the Necron honestly.

Pilau Rice wrote:Chaos doesn't have much to do with the Necron honestly.

Chaos has a lot to do with Necrons. They're sworn enemies. It's arguable that no two groups hate each other as much as those two.

hellspawn22 wrote:
Chaos has a lot to do with Necrons. They're sworn enemies. It's arguable that no two groups hate each other as much as those two.

I would say that the Eldar and Necrons are sworn enemies as Chaos wasn't around for the War in Heaven.

The Necrons major weakness is the warp true, but Chaos isn't the only race which makes use of it. It just happens to be where the dudes their followers worship live.

And I was just saying that the temples and warp storms wouldn't be able to stop the Necrons or Tyranids any more than they're able to stop the Imperium now.

No, a building or a storm won't stop the Tyranids or Necrons, but what comes about due to the Temples and Warp Storms might.

A Tyranid or Necron attack isn't just going to annihilate everything straight away.

That's true. And then you have to consider the occupation policies of those groups. The Necrons kill everything and move on. The Tyranids consume everything and move on. So we aren't really looking at an entity like the IoM, and the storms and the like wold have different effects. I wonder what the Hive mind does to warp storms, because it always extinguishes warp activity around it, but it's... you know... a warp storm.

The Necrons and Chaos are not sworn enemies. The latter wasn't even around for much of the time the Necrons were at their most powerful.

But for the time that they did coexist, they fought incessantly. Chaos is the antithesis of the C'Tan and vice-versa: One is almost purely warp energy and the other is devoid of it.

I think that as the human race dwindles their souls are being fed upon by the chaos gods making them stronger. thats my personal opinion and therefore may not be true though.

Contact with the warp kills C'tan, so unless the necrons destroyed all the Chaos sorcerors, they would take some serious punishment.

should we not even open the can of worms that for all intents and purposes, Gork andf Mork ARE warp entities, thusly, could be considered chaos gods themselves? cunning and brutal creatures.

is it not possible to have chaos orks then?

what warp signature would the Orks leave, or is the implication that they are too stupid to believe in anything other than gork and mork. which, by my recolection would be the most powerful warp creatures having THE most devout and abundant followers in the entire galaxy.

also, on the topic of nids, since the hive mind exists outside of our known galaxy, and since its massive enough to engulf ours, we haven't seen gak from the nids yet, just the ones they can get here fast enough. and with the hive mind being able to shut out psychers and astropaths, it then leads to be that the hive mind could engulf the eye of terror and essentially smother the chaos gods to death by simply removing all the psychic energy from reaching them.

Its like Matter and Anti-Matter, Both should exist in equal amounts at the creation of the Universe, but apart from what we create and that given of through decompostition Anti-matter doesnt exist.

Therfore the Ctan are matter - beings that exist in realspace while the choas gods/ deamons dont, therefore they can only enter realspace through gaps made in the lining between the 2 and depend on this link, otherwise when the link is closed, they 'annihalate' like a collision between matter and its oppisite.

Regarding the creation of gods, lets look the age old rule of Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. The gods were created from thought, impossible you would think except that there are sceintific principles that say thoughts are real phsical things. Mabye the gods were created by this 'thought energy' being transferred into a phsical form. Therefore, as long as something is thinking about them, they will exist in a form, even if greatly weekended.

I apoligise for the physics lesson/ dodgy spelling...

Optio wrote:Its like Matter and Anti-Matter, Both should exist in equal amounts at the creation of the Universe, but apart from what we create and that given of through decompostition Anti-matter doesnt exist.

Therfore the Ctan are matter - beings that exist in realspace while the choas gods/ deamons dont, therefore they can only enter realspace through gaps made in the lining between the 2 and depend on this link, otherwise when the link is closed, they 'annihalate' like a collision between matter and its oppisite.

Regarding the creation of gods, lets look the age old rule of Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. The gods were created from thought, impossible you would think except that there are sceintific principles that say thoughts are real phsical things. Mabye the gods were created by this 'thought energy' being transferred into a phsical form. Therefore, as long as something is thinking about them, they will exist in a form, even if greatly weekended.

I apoligise for the physics lesson/ dodgy spelling...

Schrodingers cat does not exist in the 41st millenium..... or did it ever exist in the first place!?!

Durza wrote:Contact with the warp kills C'tan,

No it doesn't. I don't know where people get these ideas. The only known weapon capable of killing a C'tan is a giant energy cannon, which while psychically powered, is wholly part of realspace.

Necrons and the Warp don't interact at all. Necrons can't go into the Warp and Daemons can't come into real space without extenuating circumstances. That's as far as their relationship goes.

Necron's were mad at daemons for making their food taste bad.

I wanna say khorne would still be around and kicking thanks to the Orks..while they dont worship him I think he still gets off on all there fightin.

I think Nurgle and Slaanesh would be the only ones to really suffer from the collapse of the IoM. Especially if the replacement was Tyranids or Necrons. I don't knwo for sure, but I don't think either of them experience disease or pleasure.

They don't feel anything full stop. No Gods would be able to survive without sapient races feeding them with strong emotions.


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DarknessEternal wrote:

Durza wrote:Contact with the warp kills C'tan,

No it doesn't. I don't know where people get these ideas. The only known weapon capable of killing a C'tan is a giant energy cannon, which while psychically powered, is wholly part of realspace.

Necrons and the Warp don't interact at all. Necrons can't go into the Warp and Daemons can't come into real space without extenuating circumstances. That's as far as their relationship goes.

Necron's were mad at daemons for making their food taste bad.

It's anathema to them. They can't understand it and hate it, that's why the Old Ones started using the Warp as a weapon, because it was effective against the C'tan.