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where did you think the tyranids came from?
the codex says they might be running from something but others places say they were made by the imperiam of man.
what do you think?

They obviously evolved in another galaxy. What their original form was, we will never know, but they have been in another galaxy before the Imperiums.

They come from beyond the rim of the galaxy, either from another galaxy or from somewhere in the cold reaches between galaxies.

They're definitely not an Imperial bio-construction, unless it is something pre-Dark Age, but that seems exceedingly unlikely.

There's mention of unknown races in their codex, unless these mighty empires are living unoticed on the outskirts of the galaxy, then they resided in another, and were eaten by the Nids.

Well...
The general ideas are these:
They have eliminated all life in the previous galaxy they visited. We are in for a bad time.
They are running from something powerful enough to defeat them with such ease that defeat is certain which is why the Hive mind is running. We are in for a bad time.
They have somehow been created by the Outsider and are currently under his control. Guess what kind of a time we are gonna have?



It's a bad one.
In any case the galaxy is doomed without their help.

purplefood wrote:Well...
The general ideas are these:
They have eliminated all life in the previous galaxy they visited. We are in for a bad time.
They are running from something powerful enough to defeat them with such ease that defeat is certain which is why the Hive mind is running. We are in for a bad time.
They have somehow been created by the Outsider and are currently under his control. Guess what kind of a time we are gonna have?



It's a bad one.
In any case the galaxy is doomed without their help.

I'm dissapointed, you never said what they're running from and i think you know what it is they're running from
A certain transport spring to mind...

OT purplefood hit the fluff on the head, that is exactly what they're rumored to be doing, either of those 3 things

MikZor wrote:

purplefood wrote:Well...
The general ideas are these:
They have eliminated all life in the previous galaxy they visited. We are in for a bad time.
They are running from something powerful enough to defeat them with such ease that defeat is certain which is why the Hive mind is running. We are in for a bad time.
They have somehow been created by the Outsider and are currently under his control. Guess what kind of a time we are gonna have?



It's a bad one.
In any case the galaxy is doomed without their help.

I'm dissapointed, you never said what they're running from and i think you know what it is they're running from
A certain transport spring to mind...

OT purplefood hit the fluff on the head, that is exactly what they're rumored to be doing, either of those 3 things

The CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT was chasing them. It isn't anymore, though the Nids are still running because they are just that scared. Hell the Nids were only a break from scaring Draigo into the Warp the CRASUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT wanted to find out if it could scare a microbe. It did. That tiny microbe was so scared it evolved at a super advanced rate and eventually the Tyranids came into being, but still it was fearful and so they began running away unbeknownst to them the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT can be anywhere at anytime and they are currently running towards it. Not away.

The microbe had to evolve so it could grow multiple red legs so it could run away faster.

pinoypower wrote: where did you think the tyranids came from?
the codex says they might be running from something but others places say they were made by the imperiam of man.
what do you think?

-They evolved in some distand galaxy that I do not kno name of ( or does anyone else ). Anyway that galaxy was only breakfast, and after they ate everything there they move on...
-The part "they might be running from something" is established by Imperial scolars who have established a lot of wrong theories over the course of history. It is the same thing as Tyranid codex that say for Levithian: "The Last and Largest of all Hive Fleets."
-Also the theory that Outsider is controlling them is the same theory as "I can control US military power from my house." Outsider is a Necron, Tyranids are organic. They have evolved in another galaxy, they do not know who Eldar, Ork, Humans, Necrons are... they are only here to consume everything. And they are lead by Hive Mind who Emperor only know's who he is.
-And if Imperium made them then Tau have made Vespid. Imperum doesn't have tech to create a race or resources. And they wouldn't bother either since they hate everything not Human.

My opinion on Nids: I do not care where they came from or what they want. They are out for our blood and flesh and I shall give them a lot Lasshots and Bolter projectiles. They are just overgrown bugs, and if their last codex is to be believed than we ( and Eldar ) already killed most of their race. They are pathetic like the other enemies of Mankind.

If they were overgrown bugs the entire affair would be fair easier...

The outsider is a C'tan that was driven insane when it was tricked into eating other C'tan it now wonders the edge of the galexy so it may have something to do with the tyranids and it hasn't been comfirmed that he isn't controlling them.. but then again it hasn't been cconfirmed that he is controlling them

sora914 wrote:The outsider is a C'tan that was driven insane when it was tricked into eating other C'tan it now wonders the edge of the galexy so it may have something to do with the tyranids and it hasn't been comfirmed that he isn't controlling them.. but then again it hasn't been cconfirmed that he is controlling them

I heard he was in the Dyson Sphere...

pinoypower wrote: where did you think the tyranids came from?
the codex says they might be running from something but others places say they were made by the imperiam of man.
what do you think?

They came from outwith the galaxy. Their exact origin is left purposefully vague so as to spark debate. I like the idea of them just being a vanguard race for a much bigger threat.

sora914 wrote:The outsider is a C'tan that was driven insane when it was tricked into eating other C'tan it now wonders the edge of the galexy so it may have something to do with the tyranids and it hasn't been comfirmed that he isn't controlling them.. but then again it hasn't been cconfirmed that he is controlling them

Has it been confirmed that the Outsider wasn't eaten/absorbed by them?

They came from Uranus.

KoganStyle wrote:

sora914 wrote:The outsider is a C'tan that was driven insane when it was tricked into eating other C'tan it now wonders the edge of the galexy so it may have something to do with the tyranids and it hasn't been comfirmed that he isn't controlling them.. but then again it hasn't been cconfirmed that he is controlling them

Has it been confirmed that the Outsider wasn't eaten/absorbed by them?

C'tan are pure energy beings. There's nothing there for a tyranid to eat. All we know about interaction between the Outsider and the hive fleets is that they avoided a funny looking star which we assume is the dyson sphere where the Outsider is imprisoned. Or resting, or whatever.

Part of the terror of the Tyranids is that nobody knows where they came from or how many galaxies they've consumed before the Milky Way. GW would be foolish to explain it and take away that mysterious dread.

pinoypower wrote: where did you think the tyranids came from?
the codex says they might be running from something but others places say they were made by the imperiam of man.
what do you think?

They probly mutated from something in space or they might have a stationary hive because something as geneticly advance can't be formed in space's vacume so i think some where in the galaxy or in another they have something close to what a bee hive or hornets nest would be like cause like bees they have a "hive mind" but i think even the minds of there massive hive fleets are under the control of some greater being with the ability to throw messages across the stars.....

Here's one angle no one seems to have covered yet:

The Old Ones, the enemies of the C'Tan, created, seeded, or otherwise mucked about with just about all life in the galaxy, including specifically creating a number of races to fight the C'Tan. This explains why so many aliens are conveniently bipedal and psychic to various degrees (humans, Orks, and Eldar being the big ones). The main races in the galaxy are just living weapons, left behind to evolve and fight the C'Tan after the Old Ones died/fled the galaxy.

The creations of the Old Ones all seem to use regular ol' DNA, based on a few fluff descriptions. This commonality throughout the galaxy is a direct result of their actions eons ago.

Tyranids, a species from a completely different galaxy, seem to exist solely to raze our galaxy to bedrock, and happen to be built so perfectly that they can consume and re-use genetic code from our own galaxy. All this in spite of the fact that there are probably infinitely many ways for life to arise that would make them incompatible with this purpose. All it would take is an different type of base pair or something and all our genetic goodness would be lost on them.

If the Tyranids succeeded in wiping out life in the Milky Way, leaving nothing behind to ever evolve again, the C'Tan would be stuck all alone in a very empty galaxy, with no souls to eat and nothing to do.

The DNA thing always bugged me, but it all makes sense if they were created by the Old Ones as one last FU to the C'Tan. Those guys think so long-term, they probably left our galaxy for another one, crafted the perfect bio-weapon using all the organic material around, then sent it all our way just to piss in the C'Tan's cheerios.

Toastedandy wrote:They came from Uranus.

I don't know whether you've listened to Royal Republic or if you're just smart.

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:Here's one angle no one seems to have covered yet:

The Old Ones, the enemies of the C'Tan, created, seeded, or otherwise mucked about with just about all life in the galaxy, including specifically creating a number of races to fight the C'Tan. This explains why so many aliens are conveniently bipedal and psychic to various degrees (humans, Orks, and Eldar being the big ones). The main races in the galaxy are just living weapons, left behind to evolve and fight the C'Tan after the Old Ones died/fled the galaxy.

The creations of the Old Ones all seem to use regular ol' DNA, based on a few fluff descriptions. This commonality throughout the galaxy is a direct result of their actions eons ago.

Tyranids, a species from a completely different galaxy, seem to exist solely to raze our galaxy to bedrock, and happen to be built so perfectly that they can consume and re-use genetic code from our own galaxy. All this in spite of the fact that there are probably infinitely many ways for life to arise that would make them incompatible with this purpose. All it would take is an different type of base pair or something and all our genetic goodness would be lost on them.

If the Tyranids succeeded in wiping out life in the Milky Way, leaving nothing behind to ever evolve again, the C'Tan would be stuck all alone in a very empty galaxy, with no souls to eat and nothing to do.

The DNA thing always bugged me, but it all makes sense if they were created by the Old Ones as one last FU to the C'Tan. Those guys think so long-term, they probably left our galaxy for another one, crafted the perfect bio-weapon using all the organic material around, then sent it all our way just to piss in the C'Tan's cheerios.

They were creators, not destroyers. Everything you said makes sense bar the motive.

sorry guys i made a mistake after roaming around i can confirm that the outsider is in a dyson sphear at the moment so he can't be controlling the tyranids.

however the theory is that he might have brought them into the galexy before going into the sphear.(sorry for the spelling)

iproxtaco wrote:

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:Here's one angle no one seems to have covered yet:

The Old Ones, the enemies of the C'Tan, created, seeded, or otherwise mucked about with just about all life in the galaxy, including specifically creating a number of races to fight the C'Tan. This explains why so many aliens are conveniently bipedal and psychic to various degrees (humans, Orks, and Eldar being the big ones). The main races in the galaxy are just living weapons, left behind to evolve and fight the C'Tan after the Old Ones died/fled the galaxy.

The creations of the Old Ones all seem to use regular ol' DNA, based on a few fluff descriptions. This commonality throughout the galaxy is a direct result of their actions eons ago.

Tyranids, a species from a completely different galaxy, seem to exist solely to raze our galaxy to bedrock, and happen to be built so perfectly that they can consume and re-use genetic code from our own galaxy. All this in spite of the fact that there are probably infinitely many ways for life to arise that would make them incompatible with this purpose. All it would take is an different type of base pair or something and all our genetic goodness would be lost on them.

If the Tyranids succeeded in wiping out life in the Milky Way, leaving nothing behind to ever evolve again, the C'Tan would be stuck all alone in a very empty galaxy, with no souls to eat and nothing to do.

The DNA thing always bugged me, but it all makes sense if they were created by the Old Ones as one last FU to the C'Tan. Those guys think so long-term, they probably left our galaxy for another one, crafted the perfect bio-weapon using all the organic material around, then sent it all our way just to piss in the C'Tan's cheerios.

They were creators, not destroyers. Everything you said makes sense bar the motive.

Maybe the Old Ones finally got real pissed and resented (they are notoriously slow at everything) and decided to pay with the same coin. Once everything is razed the would restart anew after cleaning the mess all other races had done.

The relation to the Outsider and him leading the Tyranids theory always gaks me because it relies on ignoring some fundamental, known fluff about both C'tan and Tyranids.

Mostly that the Hive Mind is a psychic entity residing in the warp, and the C'tan can't interact with the warp in any form at all. They are also not psychic beings, psychic powers being something that requires warp interaction.

So since the hive mind resides in the warp, is cannot be the Outsider, who is not only in his Dyson sphere, but he is a C'tan. He can't be controlling the Tyranids in any way, being that he isn't psychic and can't even interact with the hive mind itself, or be the hive mind, because it resides in the warp.

All we know about the Tyranids is they are extra-galactic beings. They aren't from the Milky Way. Where are they from? Why are they here? GW throws out tidbits and red herrings to keep people guessing, but it is stated in the Tyranid codex (or rulebook, I can't recall which) that they've consumed a few galaxies already.

sora914 wrote:the outsider is in a dyson sphear at the moment(sorry for the spelling)

WUT?

THe hive mind is not a warp entity. The 'Nids travel through real space. In game terms the hive mind/pyschic abilities of the 'Nids are played in the same manner for simplicity, but they are not the same when it comes to the fluff.

I have never seen anything that says the Hive Mind is a Warp... ....thing. Sorry, of course that does not mean it isn't out there somewhere. Of course even if there is some thing to that effect, the fluff is all written from the PoV of the IoM and it's narrow minded way of looking at things and they know as little as they can about the Xenos because they are so predjudice to them all.

Well maybe the Old ones created the Humans, Eldar, Orks Ect. to feed the Hive Mind, making an army of well fed giant cockroaches. For all we know other races could be designed to be Tyranid protein bars. I know if I was a C'tan I would not want to end up on the receiving end of those jaws. However I wouldn't put out ancient Human technology, if Doctor Frankenstein made life in his era I'm sure ancient (by 40k standards) Humans could create an army out of a couple of bugs. But if they're running from something then it might take all the Space marine chapters, plus the Guard, and Eldar, and Tau, and Orks (If they'll cooperate) basically every fighting force in the galaxy would have to come together in one massive, costly attack on the big space thing to kill it. Shame Tyranids eat Ork spores other wise the Tyranid hives after eating the obvious bio mass wold get a nasty, green gift in the rear

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:Here's one angle no one seems to have covered yet:

The Old Ones, the enemies of the C'Tan, created, seeded, or otherwise mucked about with just about all life in the galaxy, including specifically creating a number of races to fight the C'Tan. This explains why so many aliens are conveniently bipedal and psychic to various degrees (humans, Orks, and Eldar being the big ones). The main races in the galaxy are just living weapons, left behind to evolve and fight the C'Tan after the Old Ones died/fled the galaxy.

The creations of the Old Ones all seem to use regular ol' DNA, based on a few fluff descriptions. This commonality throughout the galaxy is a direct result of their actions eons ago.

Tyranids, a species from a completely different galaxy, seem to exist solely to raze our galaxy to bedrock, and happen to be built so perfectly that they can consume and re-use genetic code from our own galaxy. All this in spite of the fact that there are probably infinitely many ways for life to arise that would make them incompatible with this purpose. All it would take is an different type of base pair or something and all our genetic goodness would be lost on them.

If the Tyranids succeeded in wiping out life in the Milky Way, leaving nothing behind to ever evolve again, the C'Tan would be stuck all alone in a very empty galaxy, with no souls to eat and nothing to do.

The DNA thing always bugged me, but it all makes sense if they were created by the Old Ones as one last FU to the C'Tan. Those guys think so long-term, they probably left our galaxy for another one, crafted the perfect bio-weapon using all the organic material around, then sent it all our way just to piss in the C'Tan's cheerios.

I also have the same exact take on the Tyranids as you do my friend.

The problem with being created by the Old Ones as a final attempt to beat the C'tan is time. While the war in heaven took place millions of years ago, that's about the time it would have taken for the Tyranids to cross from their previous galaxy to the milky way.

Considering they've devoured a few galaxies before reaching the milky way, adding up their sub-light travel time between multiple galaxies, they would have been in existence far, far before the Old Ones.

Loki, you said they have devoured several galaxies already. Is that an assumption, or did you have some source to support you?

Personally, I like the theory that the Old Ones created the Tyranids, although I do think it's a bit of a stretch.


I kind of thought that their origin was unimportant. From a literary standpoint, the Tyranids represent the forces of life unchecked. They are fecund creation run amok, and like life itself, their origin should remain forever shrouded in mystery. I think what lends credence to the theory that they were meant to oppose the Necrons is that they are diametrically opposed to one another symbolically, since the Necrons represent death.