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Yup... So I consider this a 40k discussion, because i'm only here for 40k forums.

I came back after 2 days to find my semi-pointless comment in a basically ended YMDC thread (about shooting from open topped vehicles) was overly responded to with totally unnecessary responses. Some of the statements... I'm really at a loss on how to word this, because any attempt to single out 1 using 'unneccesary', 'pointless', or 'irrelevant' is hard because those words apply to almost all the statements.

I had no need to mention the game was using the Daemonhunters codex, and for all I remember it could've been 4th edition (though unlikely, I don't think edition matters anyways). I didn't say it because there was no need to mention it. So knowing that, that makes some of those statements, like the ones based on the new GK codex, imapplicable (best word I can think of).

So some what we have left are those talking about tactics. Seriously, do I even have to talk about why that fails?

So I think all that we didn't cover is the comments that had no relevance whatsoever to the topic OR my statement. Again, seriously? I can't even come up with a reason to further comment on that.


Now I know I could say less whenever I say anything. There was also my epic fail with misinterpreting the deep strike/combat squads rules (as did everyone I play with except 1 person), but nothing else is important rules-wise. Anything else I can think of that I do stupid, is less stupid than caring that I do it. So i'm really at a loss as to why people acted that way.

I can see a reason Nos may not like me, due to the sleep/timezone/flag thing, but only if he's humorless. I suppose that's still no excuse though. For the other people it ranges from 'their opinion is worthless' to 'genuine surprise that someone I thought was useful and admirable may really just have no social skills and unwarranted self-importance'.


The point is, is this what it's like here? I wouldn't know because it hasn't been that long. People can make mistakes, which can be overlooked. There's usually someone who is just hopeless no matter where you go, but once I learn they cease to exist to me. It's only when those people are numerous enough to lower the quality of the site that it's a problem. Maybe others' previous posts I wrongly interpreted as worth acknowledging, maybe others misinterpret what I say, who knows?

I want to stay and participate, helping out noobs and theorists, maybe even having friends, but if this is a site that should be avoided until the kids go back to school, then I can find something else to do.

YMDC is an arguably toxic part of this forum. The arguments between one rules interpretation and another can escalate to almost political heights. Some users have been banned for the bile they've spewed over there.

The rest of Dakka is generally pretty pleasant. No matter where you go you'll find someone with an attitude, but as long as you're posting in legible English and not trolling you generally won't have much trouble here. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but stick around the rest of the boards and you should be alright.

Yeah YMDC can be a crazy place, i find it's better just to lurk till the arguing comes to a conclusion.
Never had a problem with any other board however, most people are friendly and can string a legible sentence together.
I find most arguments are generally more akin to debates, as in no personal attacks, two or more people just debating their chosen point, you do get the occasional offender, but i haven't seen many of them about.

i agree with the above YMDC is the wild west of this forum, most people respect each others opinions on an interpretation of a rule, but there's the occasional Gak face that simply has to inform you that your opinion is wrong and there fore void.

YMDC is when you decide the smile on your face is expendable, or you really have no other choice and want another verdict.


Also OP, that is one AMAZING avatar

I'm glad to be reminded there are real people. I also realize anyone this was about will probably not say anything, even if they see this. Plus I can still help out people in the ymdc, and just care less about those who aren't worth it. As for what happened, i'll just ignore it. I can't see any reason not to.

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:YMDC is when you decide the smile on your face is expendable, or you really have no other choice and want another verdict.


Also OP, that is one AMAZING avatar

Yeah, unfortunately for me I mainly use this place as a rules resource when I can't figure something out. Though the plus side is I don't need to use it right now.

My Avatar is special. I can't help to think you're sarcastic, or you think I really drew it. It's mainly funny because all I did was take something from the BRB and erase a lilne. Maybe it would be better if I painted the marines yellow and black, but that takes effort. It could be cool if he's harpooning a vehicle and ignoring the orks because of SM badassery.

First - I dont dislike you, not at all. However you have a ... habit... of posting "proposed" rules as if they were real. Thats fine in the appropriate fora, however in a thread about actual rules its less than helpful.

nosferatu1001 wrote:First - I dont dislike you, not at all. However you have a ... habit... of posting "proposed" rules as if they were real. Thats fine in the appropriate fora, however in a thread about actual rules its less than helpful.

You mean how i'd play it or what seems to the RAI? I didn't think I ever did that and said it was real, and it should be because it's responding to someone or in addition to an appropriate response, not just on it's own.

erikwfg, I was going to post in that thread about "Squads shooting from open topped vehicles." but by the time I saw it the question was already answered.

However, Reading peoples responses I can offer the insight I have.

#1 Questions in YMDC can get heated, and while most of the people I have seen will debate, stay on topic, and try to get to the actual rule without degrading to name calling, there are a few that don't.

nosferatu1001 Has been civil to me, and we do not see eye to eye on a few different rules, but we debate without it degrading to name calling.

#2 I believe they responded the way they did because you went off topic, both the off topic post and the posts responding to you were against the forum rules.

In conclusion stay on the YMDC forums, because two heads are better than one, three heads are better than two etc. And as long as everyone stays on topic (Which they do most of the time) then there are some great debates there.

YMDC is where souls go to die...

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:YMDC is where souls go to die...

Yes, that seems to be the case, And sorry to hear you had a bad experince. Sadly this site has more than its share of generaly toxic/ SoB people

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:YMDC is where souls go to die...

That is fallacious.

YMDC is for people who want to get the rules correct.

And when they do get the rules straight, their souls die.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:And when they do get the rules straight, their souls die.

Why do you say that?

Most people like to play by the correct rules, from what I have seen.

That's funny.

Yes Deathreaper, I understand. I doubt the reason they reacted was because I went off topic. I think it's fine to add some personality to a response as you're respond to it, assuming the words don't require a response. If a topic is already answered, and is in a position where bumping it barely moves it, then I don't see a problem with saying something only semi-related.

Come to think of it, I don't even see a point in that board. Other than rules interpretations, what rules are there to talk about? I see 4 basic reasons there are posts there;
1) people don't look it up themselves
2) people are incompetent at finding the answer themselves
3) the rule is unanswered, so looking for an answer is futile
4) people are just making stuff up and claiming "the rules don't say I can't"

Still, I don't mind 1 to 3. Maybe it just seems pointless to me because i'm more fluent in the rules than some of the other people. A law student might think the same about me for not knowing stupid law crap.

Either way, i'll still be around, until I forget to come back or am too busy.

People hate on YMDC for the same reason that people hate on Ultramaries: It's the best of the best.

I checked out that thread in question. It did get out of hand. That's not really typical.

erikwfg wrote:

Come to think of it, I don't even see a point in that board. Other than rules interpretations, what rules are there to talk about?

Thats exactly what it is for rules interpretations. There are many rules that are not clear, and others that have strange wording. and people may not be able to figure out just what is meant by some rules.

YMDC is a forum for posting the rules, and some get upset when a incorrect or misleading "answer" is posted. It happens and its no big deal, some take it to extremes others just kindly correct the mistake. There have been several times that I thought I knew an answer only to find out that my correct answer is actually a house rule. Don't sweat it.

As everyone else has posted, YMDC attracts trolls... ye be warned!

Grakmar wrote:People hate on YMDC for the same reason that people hate on Ultramaries: It's the best of the best.

lolz, because they have now deviated from the codex astartes: Cassius and his tyranid hunters.

DeathReaper wrote:

erikwfg wrote:

Come to think of it, I don't even see a point in that board. Other than rules interpretations, what rules are there to talk about?

Thats exactly what it is for rules interpretations. There are many rules that are not clear, and others that have strange wording. and people may not be able to figure out just what is meant by some rules.

Interpretation has no resolution. So isn't it still just talking or doing someone else's research?

CageUF wrote:As everyone else has posted, YMDC attracts trolls... ye be warned!

I did learn from this that any vague mention about tactics is instant troll success.

erikwfg wrote:

CageUF wrote:As everyone else has posted, YMDC attracts trolls... ye be warned!

I did learn from this that any vague mention about tactics is instant troll success.

Maybe that's because tactics belong on the Tactics forum, which is 2 down from the YMDC forum.

Grakmar wrote:People hate on YMDC for the same reason that people hate on Ultramaries: It's the best of the best.

I checked out that thread in question. It did get out of hand. That's not really typical.

Last I checked, YMDC threads did not entail a bunch of smurfs, or Rowboat Guiliman.

Deathreaper, I was refering to how trolls seem to feed on the ignorance of some.

Problem officer?

erikwfg wrote:Come to think of it, I don't even see a point in that board. Other than rules interpretations, what rules are there to talk about? I see 4 basic reasons there are posts there;
1) people don't look it up themselves
2) people are incompetent at finding the answer themselves
3) the rule is unanswered, so looking for an answer is futile
4) people are just making stuff up and claiming "the rules don't say I can't"

It's a little extreme to suggest that anyone unable to find a rule for themselves is either not bothering to look it up or 'incompetent'... There are a lot of rules in this game, and not all of them are found in obvious places. A lot of the rules questions asked in YMDC are asked by people who have looked, and simply can't find the relevant rules. Those questions are usually easily, quickly and painlessly answered.

For the more contentious issues, the point of the forum isn't so much to come to a single resolution as simply to hash the issue out, allow people to present however many interpretations there may be and their reasoning as to why they think their interpretation is the correct one, and let people subsequently make their own minds up as to which of those interpretations is the best way to play now that they have all of the relevant information.

DarknessEternal wrote:Maybe that's because tactics belong on the Tactics forum, which is 2 down from the YMDC forum.

If merely posting in the wrong place was an instant troll success, the internet would've reached critical mass and divided by 0 from the first people to use it.

insaniak wrote:It's a little extreme to suggest that anyone unable to find a rule for themselves is either not bothering to look it up or 'incompetent'... There are a lot of rules in this game, and not all of them are found in obvious places. A lot of the rules questions asked in YMDC are asked by people who have looked, and simply can't find the relevant rules. Those questions are usually easily, quickly and painlessly answered.

For the more contentious issues, the point of the forum isn't so much to come to a single resolution as simply to hash the issue out, allow people to present however many interpretations there may be and their reasoning as to why they think their interpretation is the correct one, and let people subsequently make their own minds up as to which of those interpretations is the best way to play now that they have all of the relevant information.

I'd think that if the answer exists and you don't find it, then you aren't competent at finding it. There could be many reasons this is the case, most likely not having all the sources (though they aren't hard to get). I don't mind easy questions, and I don't even mind if someone asks because they are too lazy to try to find it themselves.

I do see more of a point in the place now that you talked. People would normally have very limited sources with which they could have the discussion with. Ymdc is a place where many of the desired kind of discussers could be found.