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Excuse any misspellings but here we go...

In the "new" Sisters codex there is an IC who has a power weapon that where if any model suffers an unsaved wound, its reduced to Int 1 till next turn. Similar to a thunder hammer but he strikes at his own Int.

Now lets say him and his merry band of Sisters gets assualted by a fex with dual talons. The fex becomes Int 3 because of its special rule of Living Battering Ram which adds 2 to its Int on the turn it charged. However, the IC goes first at Int 4... Lets say he gets a wound on the fex.

Now does that mean the fex is back down to Int 1 during that assualt, which would also means the Sisters at Int 3 can strike before it, or does it become Int 1 at the end of phase?

It will become initiative 1 that turn imo. Good question though I thought the same thing.

i would say end of phase but thats because
a)i like fexes
b)its unfair because the SoBs get lots of PWs,IIANM

calypso2ts wrote:It will become initiative 1 that turn imo. Good question though I thought the same thing.

But would the Carnifex still add 2 because its a modifer?

Well, when a Lash Whip lowers an Init to 1, they still get to apply modifiers. Sounds fairly similar to me, so it probably means GW will rule it in reverse............

i would say so.thunder hammers not going to stop a 20 ton wall of carnifex hitting in to you at that speed.it has to much momentum to stop.


fluuf quoted from C:Tyr


only a superheavy tank or fortress wall has any hope of stopping the beast and stopping the stampede.asometimes even this isn't enough,as the few survieving records from macragge's polar fortresses bear witness.

Commissar Typhus wrote:

calypso2ts wrote:It will become initiative 1 that turn imo. Good question though I thought the same thing.

But would the Carnifex still add 2 because its a modifer?

Pretty much, yes. It's own Iniitative would be reduced to 1 by the weapon's affect, but anythign else that modifies that Initiative would still apply.

not that its much of a problem because he has I1 anyway

Deadshot, "Because I think it's unfair that SoB have power weapons" is not a valid rules reason. This is a rules forum, not a 'how do you feel' forum.

Deadshot wrote:not that its much of a problem because he has I1 anyway

Well if he charges at SoBs, he will go at the sametime, therefore taking out some of the PWs you say they have.

Yet Halberds which have their I reduced do NOT add +2 again.

I would argue it goes after modifiers, and so the fexes I3 is dropped to I1

I on ly think they have power weapons.what i meant is he has base I1

its best just to discuss this beforehand with your opponent.if you can't agree rtoll off.its simplier and quicker.

I would say Int 1 since if you have a relic blade and furious charge you are Str 6. Almost all the time, lash being the only exception I can think of, when you have an actuall value being given then that is after modifiers, and you always use that value regardless. Another example would be a furious charge BT terminator with a TH or Power fist. You double the strength as per the weapon and then add 1 as per FC. However you add 1 to the Intiative as per FC but then go to Intiative 1 as per the weapons rule. The hard number trumps modifiers.

Akroma06 wrote:I would say Int 1 since if you have a relic blade and furious charge you are Str 6. Almost all the time, lash being the only exception I can think of, when you have an actuall value being given then that is after modifiers, and you always use that value regardless. Another example would be a furious charge BT terminator with a TH or Power fist. You double the strength as per the weapon and then add 1 as per FC. However you add 1 to the Intiative as per FC but then go to Intiative 1 as per the weapons rule. The hard number trumps modifiers.

I think this one makes the best sense.

But we wont't know for sure until they come out with FAQ for the WD SoB codex which idk if they will.