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Excommunicate Traitoris wrote:I'm still really surprised it hasn't all kicked off in Bradford yet. The army should deffinately have been deployed to help support the police, this government needs to stop being so damn soft on criminals. To me if you break the law of the country then you forfeit any right to be defended by that countries laws and law enforcement agencies. So you choose to loot a shop, a police officer or damn it even owner of said shop chooses to smash your skull in, well tough you have no recourse. This country has gone to hell in a hand basket thanks to it being continually lead by a bunch of incompetant cretins who couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery. I hope everyone is safe and that it all ends soon.

Agreed - I'm all for a bit of police brutality on the law-breaker scumbags.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Seems tonight is calm from all the news reports. Feel very sorry now for the parents of the 3 blokes killed in the road collision in Birmingham. BUt yeah tonight is quiet. Eltham seems to have a mild disturbance but otherwise, little going.

Looks like the worst has passed off, just as I thought actually. Riots were really bad on day 3 and the Government acted. Now it's died down so someone can cry out it was too late. Bit debateable that one.

And it's funny - me in Northamptonshire and I heard 3-4 police cars in the afternoon... which is strange since my area is so dull nothing happens ever Guess I get lucky.

Hopefully you're right and it's all died down, sometimes it makes me embarrassed to be British with a sad minority letting the country down. Good to see the Police biting back and busting looters in their homes.

Albatross wrote:
I'm surprised that you credit them with that amount of political nous. You obviously haven't met them. These aren't just the poor people of England, up in arms about government cuts, and what those cuts might mean for them and their families. Those people were the VICTIMS of the rioting, The people who perpetrated these acts are lower than that - the rioters are from the underclass, poor people that are brought up on a diet of junk-food, casual sex, crime and irresponsibility. It's a generational problem. There is a sector of society that has effectively been told for the last 13 years that their actions have no consequences, that every crappy decision that they make is someone else's fault, and that somehow the rest of us 'owe' them. They have been convinced that WE have let THEM down. The upshot of all this is that they don't really care about anything but fulfilling their most base desires, and misguided liberals have provided them with a playbook of excuses should they be brought to book for their actions: 'It's the economy/cuts/bankers, innit?'

You called it right. It's about about time people took responsibility for their own actions and stopped blaming the government/society for their own failings. Yeah sometimes life is s**t and deals you a bad hand. 'Fraid you've just got to get on a deal with it, instead of looking for excuses. F***ing feckless halfwits, press them into service as cannon fodder!

This is a really difficult one to decide. Should our money that goes on benefits be spent on booze and fags? As you're never going to stop this (unless the government gives out coupons instead of money that can only be spent on certain things) its a bit of a moot point. What is relevant is that these people who are in all fairness probably quite poor, have a moral choice "shall we loot shops or not?" Whilst they think their position of poverty gives them an excuse to break the law- in fact it doesn't. I recently had the privilege of going on holiday to Africa - Kenya. Some of these people are REALLY poor, they live in tin huts, have to go down to the river to get water/wash, but they aren't rioting about it. It's just people taking advantage of a situation that they think they can get away with. Fortunately in many cases, the Police have proved this is not going to be the way of things. As for the family that are possibly going to be 'rehomed/evicted' because one member of the family has been looting - should somebody suffer because one person has done wrong? Not in my book, this is the kind of justice that gives justice in the UK a bad name, punishing the innocent? Whatever next?