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All comments and help much appreciate. here' a coupel of lists i am looking at:



LIST 1

DP - Warptime, Wings, Nurgle - 175

5 Plague Marines - 2 meltas, Rhino w/ combi melta - 180
8 Berzerkers - Rhino w/ combi melta - 213
10 CSM - 2 Melta Guns, Rhino - 205

Defiler - extra DCCW - 150
Obliterator - 75

TOAL: 998



LIST 2

DP - Warptime, Wings, Nurgle - 175

5 Plague Marines - 2 meltas, Rhino w/ combi melta - 180
8 Berzerkers - Rhino w/ combi melta - 213
5 CSM - Flamer, Rhino w/ combi melta - 115

2 Obliterators
2 Obliterators

TOTAL: 983

1st one looks more threatening to me! Plenty of meltas and defilers are bad ass!

2nd one wouldn't really bother me. Oblits are ok but not really worth the pts. If I have them plodding towards me, they're easy enough to isolate with a single decent squad so that means you'll only ever use a single weapon type so basically you've got expensive terms!

Good point. All i know is that i will be facing a Deathguard army so i thought the option of some plasma might be good to fend off those pesky plague marines and T5 marines. It's a case of more bodies or better guns.


What do you think of the DP? Another HQ option is I could take a Chaos Lord with MoN, Combi melta and Power Axe for 135 instead (he would ride with the berzerkers). That would give me another 40 points to put somewhere.

Yeah plasma are good, but your defiler has a battle cannon, plus flamers for up close and personal maybe. Then in combat he's gonna munch through most squads. It does seem a much better way to spend 150 pts.

Well, I'd take 2 winged DPs and 2x2 Obliterators as a core. Fill the rest with PM or CSM in Rhinos.

I'd prob keep the DP as this will give your enemy 2 large targets to worry about. If you've only got the defiler he'll prob shoot everything at him.

I love the loadout of your DP, my 1500 point list includes one along with a submission DP, I think what you could do with this army is take 2 Lash Princes at 310 points, then 2 lots of 2 obliterators would make 610 points, with the remaining points I would maybe take 2 small units of Plague marines in Rhinos and some melta, while your army is small, it will pack such a punch against all armies in small point games, it will work particuarly well against other elite armies where you can lash units together and shove a Plasma Cannon on top of them or assault the unit if they are weaker such as Tau Fire Warriors etc.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I'd take 2 winged DPs and 2x2 Obliterators as a core. Fill the rest with PM or CSM in Rhinos.

I plan on getting a second DP at some point. Right now i only have the one. I would have had to proxy an Oblit as well as i only have 3 (waiting for the finecast ones to come out).



Hmmmm, big targets.....hwo about:




Chaos Lord - Combi melta, Power weapon, MoN (rides with 'zerkers) - 135

5 Plague Marines - 2 Meltas, Rhino w/ combi melta - 180
7 Berzerkers - Rhino w/ combi melta - 192
10 CSM - Rhino w/ combi melta - 185

Defiler - 150
Defiler - 150

TOTAL: 992

Defilers are less effective than Obliterators and a Lord on foot is just a pt sink.

Here's A List I have just made:

HQ:

Daemon Prince 155
MoS, Wings, Lash

Daemon Prince 155
MoS, Wings, Lash

Troops:

6 Plague Marines 198
2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Personal Icon

6 Plague Marines 198
2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Personal Icon

Heavy Support:

2 Obliterators 150

2 Obliterators 150

This list will work really well, The Obliterators are suited to both attacking and defending thanks to the melta marines having an icon meaning you can go within 6" of the Rhino and not scatter and as they are both going for tanks you can make use of the oblit melta to full effect. this list will work well against other marines as the plague marines will be really hard to kill in obj games and they can easily win combat against foes such as orks with their Blight Grenades, T5 and FNP, this is a really nice list and while it lacks in number it packs a big punch with it's DP's which should take the firepower away from the oblits which will keep them shooting, in 1000 points most armies won't have enough firepower to kill both DP's and both units of oblits that early in the game, also the plague marines will prove quite a threat if they get near any tanks.

Hope this helps

I guess it really is personal preference. I'd still go defilers over oblits but I suppose it does come down to how you play. And of course what the enemy brings.

Let us know how the game turns out!

HQ:

Daemon Prince 155
MoS, Wings, Lash

Daemon Prince 155
MoS, Wings, Lash

Troops:

6 Plague Marines 198
2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Personal Icon

6 Plague Marines 198
2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Personal Icon

Heavy Support:

2 Obliterators 150

2 Obliterators 150

This list sounds very good!

Man....i need to get another DP model. I dont even have anything i could realistically proxy.



I tend to take the Oblitx and have them on the tabel from turn one. Otherwise you can lose a coupd of turns of good shooting. Plus i have catastrophic bad luck when it come to Deep Striking.

wuestenfux wrote:

HQ:

Daemon Prince 155
MoS, Wings, Lash

Daemon Prince 155
MoS, Wings, Lash

Troops:

6 Plague Marines 198
2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Personal Icon

6 Plague Marines 198
2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Personal Icon

Heavy Support:

2 Obliterators 150

2 Obliterators 150

This list sounds very good!

You'll have to drop the Icons as they make you a few points over, but this list is still a solid one.

Praxiss wrote:Man....i need to get another DP model. I dont even have anything i could realistically proxy.



I tend to take the Oblitx and have them on the tabel from turn one. Otherwise you can lose a coupd of turns of good shooting. Plus i have catastrophic bad luck when it come to Deep Striking.

DPs give you enough cc potential at the 1000 pt level.
In fact, I'd let the Oblits start at the table. There is no need to rush forward. Let the enemy come at your terms.

OK, how about this...is it ok or just too.....generic.





DP - Lash, Wings, MoS - 155

6 Plague Marines - 2 meltas, rhino w/combi melta
6 Plague Marines - 2 meltas, rhino w/combi melta
10 berzerkers - champ, power weapon, rhino w/combi melta

2 Obliterators
2 Obliterators


It's a little light on numbers for my liking (i normally go for unmarked CSM squads to get more models on the table) but it does pack quite a punch.

Start the 'blitz on the table and take long range shots with enemy vehicles. Move the DP forward in turn 1 behind the rushign rhinos, at which point the all pop smoke.

Plague marines do melta drive-bys or park on an objective. Zerkers charge the first thing that the DP can Lash into range.

The list above is better than either of the ones in the OP.

I'd drop the combi-melta from the 'Zerkers Rhino to change his PW to a PF. Otherwise, the list looks great.

The double Lash DP, 2x2 Oblit list is the best one here though, IMO.

And Oblits are a lot better than Defilers.

I would definately field 2 DPs if i had a second one.

Ho Hum. Add it to the wish-list.

Praxiss wrote:OK, how about this...is it ok or just too.....generic.





DP - Lash, Wings, MoS - 155

6 Plague Marines - 2 meltas, rhino w/combi melta
6 Plague Marines - 2 meltas, rhino w/combi melta
10 berzerkers - champ, power weapon, rhino w/combi melta

2 Obliterators
2 Obliterators


It's a little light on numbers for my liking (i normally go for unmarked CSM squads to get more models on the table) but it does pack quite a punch.

Start the 'blitz on the table and take long range shots with enemy vehicles. Move the DP forward in turn 1 behind the rushign rhinos, at which point the all pop smoke.

Plague marines do melta drive-bys or park on an objective. Zerkers charge the first thing that the DP can Lash into range.

That's a nice list at 1000 points, and while the 2 lash is better, I think this one will work too, If you like Bezerkers a lot, which I do, I field one Rhino-mounted squad of 8 in 1500 with an Aspiring Champion with a power weapon, this unit has been really nice against all enemies in CC, as the rest of my army can deal with AT, if you're worried about Dreadnoughts, stick a fist on there, Dreadnought's aren't as good any more and I rarely see them in 1500, but in 1000 I would expect to see an Ironclad or two or a DC Dread if your against a BA player.

The second list is much better, but drop the 'zerkers and take another lash prince. With spare points get another PM squad or make the ones you already have better.

Dont have a second Prince model. It's on my list of thigns to do.

I have just bought a CSM kit and have ordered soem bio-hazard heads from MaxMini so i can make a "proper" quad of plague marines (my current PMs are just normal chaos marines with some rust effect on the armour, not great).