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I play an Iron Warriors counts as SM list at a high point margin, 2,500 with my local group. At the outset, I know counts as lists are blasphemy for many people, but as an avid Chaos fanboy the current Codex makes me want to vomit.
Anyway, in designing an Iron Warriors list, I wanted the backbone of the army to represent the Legion's hallmark: that is, a hard to break line that throws out impressive firepower. As such, I obtained permission from my group to run up to a pair of Land Raider Achilles in my list (or as we jokingly call it, the Land Raider O'Charley's). In my opinion, these things function great as objective holders when they each contain a combat squad, due to their immunity from melta and lance weaponry and the -1 on the penetrating hit table. The twin linked multi-meltas are awesome against leaf blower guard and dreads that threaten the vehicle, and the thunderfire cannons excel against Tyranids and Eldar units.
My strategies do not revolve around them, but they make great centerpieces to the army, especially when adorned by Chaos iconography.

Has anyone used these, or does anyone have any thoughts on their use?

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They're massively over-powered in non-apoc games, where the main AT of choice are meltas and missile launchers. Even still, with the -1 on the damage charts, meltas cannot wreck it on a glance. You need lascannons or S10 guns which are a dying breed nowadays. And it's just slowed against eldar/DE. They have very little that can deal with it.

Since your gaming group lets you run 2, that's good for you. If it was me, I wouldn't let my opponent run more than 1 in regular games (unless I want to give myself a handicap). It just unbalances the game.



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The model does look cool as hell though I would love to see someone field one or even two. But as JY2 says they are overpowered.

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I played one in a test game with a friend, and it was abusively over-powered.
I would not play one in a non-apoc game, and would not want to play someone who was using one.
   
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jy2 wrote:They're massively over-powered in non-apoc games, where the main AT of choice are meltas and missile launchers. Even still, with the -1 on the damage charts, meltas cannot wreck it on a glance. You need lascannons or S10 guns which are a dying breed nowadays. And it's just slowed against eldar/DE. They have very little that can deal with it.

Since your gaming group lets you run 2, that's good for you. If it was me, I wouldn't let my opponent run more than 1 in regular games (unless I want to give myself a handicap). It just unbalances the game.



They're actually not immune to melta bombs, as I learned the hard way. They're also still vulnerable to monstrous creatures. One of my buddies plays GKs, and they've on two occasions now eaten the Achilles for lunch via hammerhand. I've also lost them to a Space Wolf IC blob. Additionally, they weigh in at over 300 points a pop, and for the firepower they put out against MEQ, their biggest advantage is in the objective holding.
Playing them as Iron Warriors I've mainly used them as line anchors, so there may be something to be said for the fact that they aren't gunning forwards and delivering any troops (not that they could anyway, with a maximum capacity of 5 or 6). It must just be the opponents I play against. My regular enemies are leafblower guard, Tyranids, GKs, and static shooty Space Wolves. The guard just end up redirecting their efforts towards killing other targets, the Nids ramp up their MCs to stonewall objectives, the GKS do their aforementioned hammerhand shindig, and the Wolves use mass Long Fangs against other disembarked targets and clean up the Achilles with a huge IC blob. In our games, the Achilles mostly function as hard points for objectives, and mid-range anti-tank.

I see your points though. I can imagine against DE or Eldar they would be almost impossible to deal with.

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