Skimmer VS Skimmer Ram

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**Pied_Piper11**

If a Skimmer (A) rams a skimmer (B) does B get a dodge roll?

**cgage00**

What skimmer is trying to ram? Some can't ram. But yes if skimmer a can ram then skimmer b gets to dodge

**Pied_Piper11**

(A) Tau Devilfish (B) Stormraven

On a side Note, isn't it almost impossable for a veichle that has a max move of 12 to ram 12. If the veichle is 11.99 in. away it is not 12 and if it is 12.01 away, you can't ram it. Is that correct?

(Edited because i can't spell.)

**Akroma06**

Give a raider/ravager a shock prow and they can tank shock and thus ram. With that said yes the skimmer being rammed follows all normal rules for being rammed. It does not matter what type of vehicle is doing the ramming. Any non-immobilised/stunned skimmer can attempt to dodge.

**nosferatu1001**

Wrong. Skimmer on Skimmer = no dodge roll

**Jidmah**

That would be wrong. Skimmers do not get to dodge if the ramming vehicle is also a skimmer.

Yup, ramming 12" is almost impossible. As someone fielding 4 vehicles that will try to ram everyone and everything I had an exact 12" ram exactly once in about a hundred games.

edit: ninja'ed by nos.

**Akroma06**

How is it wrong...where does it say that you can't dodge?

**nosferatu1001**

In tthe rules for skimmers- page 71, right hand side, parenthesis rules

**Raza`**

In BRB page 71. "...Skimmers may try to dodge out of the way of tanks attempting to ram them (as long as the ramming tank is not also a skimmer)..."

**Akroma06**

Ok then...I stand corrected.

**Grakmar**

Pied_Piper11 wrote:On a side Note, isn't it almost impossable for a veichle that has a max move of 12 to ram 12. If the veichle is 11.99 in. away it is not 12 and if it is 12.01 away, you can't ram it. Is that correct?

Getting your tank exactly 12" away is basically totally impossible. You could always break out a microscope and determine that it's actually 11.999999999 inches. Or, zoom in either further to figure out that its an angstrom too far. And, of course, its dependent on when you take your measurement, as the atoms slightly moving constantly.

But, none of those are practical solutions, and you'll quickly be labeled TFG for arguing this too strongly. So, it all comes down to how much approximation your gaming group uses. Because, we all do some approximation.

**Nebulas1**

Roads help get the much needed 12.

**BlueDagger**

Nebulas1 wrote:Roads help get the much needed 12.

IIRC skimmers don't benefit from roads boost

**Akroma06**

Yeah no roads if you are flying above them...all they do is add 6" to maximum overall speed (not increase cruising or combat speed by 6") Skimmers have the same distances that a ground vehicle does with the addition of flat out, which I believe a fast ground vehicle has (12"-18") whereas a fast skimmer can turbo boost (18"-24"). Aethersail can increase this distance and a shock prow allows for it to ram. The only thing is you can never go above strength 10 (distance + max front armor value) + d6.

**DeathReaper**

Pied_Piper11 wrote:(A) Tau Devilfish (B) Stormraven

On a side Note, isn't it almost impossable for a veichle that has a max move of 12 to ram 12. If the veichle is 11.99 in. away it is not 12 and if it is 12.01 away, you can't ram it. Is that correct?

(Edited because i can't spell.)

If you do not contact the Hull of the Stormraven you can not Ram it.

Does the (A) Tau Devilfish even come in contact with the (B) Stormraven?

From what I remember the Devilfish fits under the Stormraven and would not contact the hull.

but I do not have a Devilfish, can someone test and see if the Devilfish contacts the Stormraven's hull?

**Akroma06**

As with anything concerning the flight stands I would say that you need to either hit the hull or the base depending on the heightof the rammer.

**DeathReaper**

Akroma06 wrote:As with anything concerning the flight stands I would say that you need to either hit the hull or the base depending on the heightof the rammer.

But the base is ignored except for assaults and being in terrain.

So you can not contact a skimmers base and claim a ram, as far as the rules are concerned.

**Orion_44**

I believe that this was faq'ed that for purposes of ramming the base of the storm raven must be contacted. Not specifically the hull. I can't verify right now.

I can tell you that you would get a boot to the head if you tried to use that argument in a game against me...

**Jidmah**

Q: Can you ram a skimmer on a large oval flying base?
(p71)
A: Yes, you have to make contact with either the base
or the hull.

**AchillesFTW**

Ironic that DE would be the only race to be able to have more than a 24" ram. As if they needed more AT than their Dark Lance spam already gives.

**Pied_Piper11**

Ork truck on a road with red paint job 25".

**Ascalam**

I'd find the image of a Raider with a shock ram doing mach 12 across the battlefield to ram a Monolith, and then the Monolith (going about 2 MPH) sideslipping it hilarious

It can't happen, ruleswise, but if it could..

Now the other way round, with a zippy little flying skiff being unable to dodge a flying building going the speed of an arthritic snail is also funny

**SlaveToDorkness**

I for the life of me don't understand how people post in here without reading the rules. I know the forum is "You Make Da Call" but make it after doing a modicum of research. Doing otherwise just exacerbates the already horrible understanding some people have of the rules.

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Sorry, just couldn't help myself.

**Akroma06**

AchillesFTW wrote:Ironic that DE would be the only race to be able to have more than a 24" ram. As if they needed more AT than their Dark Lance spam already gives.

Wait we still have DL spam

? That went away in the new codex now its venom spam with blasters. That is also why the whole "if you go boom on your turn the guys inside die to" was added to the FAQ.

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Ascalam wrote:I'd find the image of a Raider with a shock ram doing mach 12 across the battlefield to ram a Monolith, and then the Monolith (going about 2 MPH) sideslipping it hilarious

It can't happen, ruleswise, but if it could..

Now the other way round, with a zippy little flying skiff being unable to dodge a flying building going the speed of an arthritic snail is also funny

YES!!! Those are both hillarious mental images

**Ridealgh**

Eldar tank with Star engines can go 36" and they are technically tanks so.....

**BlueDagger**

Star Engines occurs in the Shooting phase so it's not a 36" Ram/Tank Shock.

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Oh god forgive me, I mentioned Star Engines and Ramming in the same sentence whilst in YMDC... *runs in terror*

**Akroma06**

BlueDagger wrote:Star Engines occurs in the Shooting phase so it's not a 36" Ram/Tank Shock.

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Oh god forgive me, I mentioned Star Engines and Ramming in the same sentence whilst in YMDC... *runs in terror*

Why oh why did this come up...can we please agree to just not go down the star engines/ramming thing again?

**MrMerlin**

Akroma06 wrote:
BlueDagger wrote:Star Engines occurs in the Shooting phase so it's not a 36" Ram/Tank Shock.

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Oh god forgive me, I mentioned Star Engines and Ramming in the same sentence whilst in YMDC... *runs in terror*

Why oh why did this come up...can we please agree to just not go down the star engines/ramming thing again?

No, someone mentioned it, and now it is TOO LATE!! This thread will never ever be free of people arguing about this question. I for my part think that star engines are used in the...

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You have been warned!

**Jidmah**

Star Engines for the Star Engine God!

**SlaveToDorkness**

Idiotic Arguments for the Idiotic Arguments God!