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I want to put together a Tzeentch Space Daemons army, and include Magnus the Red, Daemon Primarch, in the Heavy Support. How should I equip him to make him as fluffy as possible within the limits of the Codex?

You can't effectively represent a Demon Primarch using units and wargear from the CSM codex.

Not sure if it makes a difference, but he said he is playing Daemons and not CSM. They do have a fair few more options as well.


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Anyway, to answer the OP, within the confines of the Daemon book:

Obviously MoT
Wings
As many psychic powers as he can take
Probably every stat upgrade that is available as well

For a primarch, a Lord of Change might be more appropriate don't you agree?
Perhaps even inadequate.

Well the thing is, it doesnt have to accurately reflect his power. Look at marines, most people agree that their tabletop stats dont reflect the fluff very well. OP knows this, which is why he asked "within the confines of the codex". Plus if its Magnus, you could just say his relative weakness is due to him being a psychic avatar/projection, something he would be more than capable of.

In the book The battle of the fang, magnus appears as a small old man to a great wolf in order to draw him and most of the chapter away from Fenris, this could be translated to a changling ( is that right? the little horror with a cloak that chages shape?) on the table top.

This could be an option if no stats would do a fully represent Magnus

thunderingjove wrote:I want to put together a Tzeentch Space Daemons army, and include Magnus the Red, Daemon Primarch, in the Heavy Support. How should I equip him to make him as fluffy as possible within the limits of the Codex?

Frankly, it is impossible to reflect Magnus accurately on the tabletop without the game being an Apocalypse game. Magnus is the most powerful psyker short of the Emperor to ever live, and a Primarch regardless.

He also would be better as an HQ, IMO, can't see Magnus taking the field without being in charge.

But, as for what wargear he should take, he has wings, as this picture shows:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Magnusthered2.jpg

You will also notice he looks oddly human for a Daemon Prince, though that doesn't matter too much, it is well within his power to assume a different form.

He should be able to take pretty much any psychic power he damn well wants, and would be a Monstrous Creature, obviously.

His statline should be around the same as the other Greater Daemons.

As others have said, it's pretty much impossible to accurately represent a primarch using the rules within any Codex.
However, if someone could confirm/reject this for me that'd be great, but IIRC there are some rules for the Forge World Lord of Change which total 999pts or something like that; so could be suitable for Magnus-esc. rules?

Just Dave wrote:As others have said, it's pretty much impossible to accurately represent a primarch using the rules within any Codex.
However, if someone could confirm/reject this for me that'd be great, but IIRC there are some rules for the Forge World Lord of Change which total 999pts or something like that; so could be suitable for Magnus-esc. rules?

I think you're talking about Aetaos'Rau'Keres.

Yeah, each god has Daemon Lords that can be played in Apocalypse, the cheapest, Zarakynel, Daemon Lord of Slaanesh, being 666 points. Aetaos'Rau'Keres is the most expensive.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Just Dave wrote:As others have said, it's pretty much impossible to accurately represent a primarch using the rules within any Codex.
However, if someone could confirm/reject this for me that'd be great, but IIRC there are some rules for the Forge World Lord of Change which total 999pts or something like that; so could be suitable for Magnus-esc. rules?

I think you're talking about Aetaos'Rau'Keres.

Yeah, each god has Daemon Lords that can be played in Apocalypse, the cheapest, Zarakynel, Daemon Lord of Slaanesh, being 666 points. Aetaos'Rau'Keres is the most expensive.

Awesome. Any idea where these rules are? One of the Imperial Armor? Or free to download?

flamingwalnut wrote:Awesome. Any idea where these rules are? One of the Imperial Armor? Or free to download?

Well, most of the Daemon Lords are in Imperial Armour: Apocalypse 1.

Finding a download of that should be easy.

Though, this one does not have the 999 point Tzeentch Daemon Lord whose name I refuse to type again. He is in Imperial Armour: Apocalypse II.


Please do not post links to stolen copyrighted material. Thank you. --yakface

Void__Dragon wrote:
He also would be better as an HQ, IMO, can't see Magnus taking the field without being in charge.

Magnus never lead anything like a general. He may have lead as in other guys were behind him, but tactics and organization were something he left to his subordinates, like Ahriman.

Void__Dragon wrote:
But, as for what wargear he should take, he has wings, as this picture shows:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Magnusthered2.jpg

You will also notice he looks oddly human for a Daemon Prince, though that doesn't matter too much, it is well within his power to assume a different form.

That's pre-daemon Magnus.

This is daemon Magnus.

Just Dave wrote:As others have said, it's pretty much impossible to accurately represent a primarch using the rules within any Codex.
However, if someone could confirm/reject this for me that'd be great, but IIRC there are some rules for the Forge World Lord of Change which total 999pts or something like that; so could be suitable for Magnus-esc. rules?

Daemon Lords are actually more powerful than the Daemon Primarchs, at least if the comparison between Angraath and the WD Apoc Angron rules are anything to go buy.

The Daemon Primarchs are slightly upgraded versions of the Greater Daemons, if Angron is anything to go by.

DarknessEternal wrote:Magnus never lead anything like a general. He may have lead as in other guys were behind him, but tactics and organization were something he left to his subordinates, like Ahriman.

What makes you say that? He was perfectly willing to lead in combat during the battle of Shrike. Ahriman and the Corvidae were used for their abilities to predict the future, enabling them to better react to their opponent, but Magnus was still the man in charge.

DarknessEternal wrote:That's pre-daemon Magnus.

This is daemon Magnus.

Pre-Daemon Magnus had wings? I had no idea.

Yes yes, I am well aware of the Magnus Epic figure. And how incredibly stupid it looks (Notice he's blue).

I also doubt they are canon, since the appearance of the Epic Primarchs never seems to be the same as the official artwork.

Void__Dragon wrote:
I also doubt they are canon, since the appearance of the Epic Primarchs never seems to be the same as the official artwork.

On the contrary, it is the BL* that is specifically less canon, as it always is trumped by the game material.

*like where those other pictures of Magnus are from.

DarknessEternal wrote:

This is daemon Magnus.

Wow, awful modelling.

DarknessEternal wrote:On the contrary, it is the BL* that is specifically less canon, as it always is trumped by the game material.

*like where those other pictures of Magnus are from.

Perhaps.

But isn't the Epic system done by Specialist Games, not Games Workshop?

Although honestly, whether the model is canon or not, the Epic models of the Daemon Primarchs are incredibly stupid looking, that alone warrants a reason not to use them if you are looking to make a Magnus conversion for a game of 40k.

Void__Dragon wrote:
But isn't the Epic system done by Specialist Games, not Games Workshop?

No.

Specialist Games isn't a subsidiary ala Forge World, it's a collection of "Not the Big 3" Games.

AKA: "Games we made that only have small followings, so we don't support them because supporting an assortment of things people like is a bad idea".

Ah, okay, thanks for clearing that up.