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2014/07/21 12:15:51
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
2014/07/21 12:19:03
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Just a thought. With Helfrost being S-test or die, might this be a new guise of JOTWW, a Helfrost Beam Witchfire? This is assuming, of course, we get our own powers, which we should.
2014/07/21 12:20:30
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Adding the assault ramp brings it back in line with the Assault Ram model which is pretty nice so that variant I wouldn't buy but I don't hate.
The gun one just sucks. Another release that looks more like a toy than a model.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
2014/07/21 12:21:07
Subject: Re:Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I don't know how I feel about it yet but I'm gonna try and stop in my flgs to take a look at it if I can.
I'm gutted about the changes to GH and WG. Can someone mathhammer and let me know if fifteen BC at their regular ws/bs is worth taking over ten GH? I'm gonna have to sit down and figure out what's what since now models HAVE to be wysiwyg.
Oh well, maybe we can at least get the Hellfrost weapons as a special troop choice like someone was hoping for earlier, that'd be pretty cool. (fingers are still extra crossed that they become Vlka Fenryka as their new codex name)
Edit: What does a lance weapon do again?
Lance treats AV13 and 14 as AV12 for the purposes of penetration rolls.
I'm gutted about the changes to GH and WG. Can someone mathhammer and let me know if fifteen BC at their regular ws/bs is worth taking over ten GH? I'm gonna have to sit down and figure out what's what since now models HAVE to be wysiwyg.
Don't do anything drastic like changing models yet! These are just rumours at the moment, and pretty sketchy ones at best, so wait until we have the codex before panicking. I still think/hope it'll be an upgrade or swap, as per CSM.
No of course not but my hopes aren't good. Like I said, I'll see how BC get and worst comes to worst I can just start fielding them as well.
2014/07/21 12:30:14
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
As the post count indicates, I'm new to rumormongering, as is my source. Releasing things a bit at a time was what they wanted. Since everybody is hungry for details and 'credibility' though, I pressed them to give me everything they've got. Here it is:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack - Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support - Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
I can see myself using the Stormwolf more than the Stormfang, piling sixteen dudes ( BC's or GH's ) with attached HQ's will be the way i go.
: 3000+
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2014/07/21 12:31:57
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Certain SM vehicles have had that look for a while. It's the trim on the bottom of this and the Land Speeders that have always made them look like the classic Adidas shell toes to me.
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2014/07/21 12:33:56
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
I'm in the "don't like it" camp. But if I ever change my mind I can always convert my own by gluing spare SM parts to a house brick.
The HQs might be good. It'd be nice if they started doing proper multipart (i.e. not monopose) generals a la SM Commander.
I expect the infantry kits will be like the other recent ones: really well made, huge amounts of options, but crazy expensive (at least £5 per model, probably 5 in a box).
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Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics.
2014/07/21 12:52:37
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Funny story, I saw Kid_Kyoto's fake rumors thread in 40k General earlier where he posted the White Dwarf cover, calling it a bad photoshop job, and thought "Thank god, I thought that was real for a second."
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"It's easier to change the rules than to get good at the game."
2014/07/21 13:09:26
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Eternal Warrior protects against wounds which cause Instant Death, Helfrost doesn't cause Instant Death, it just removes from play.
You didn't really expect them to lose JotWW, did you?
Christ's sake. I'm not looking forward to playing against that thing with my hive fleet...
...God damn instant death!!!!
S5+ models have a 1 in 6 chance of failing the strength test and these weapons are all heavy 1 of some description, so it's kinda mitigated against big/strong things. Units with S4 and lower and T4 with multiple wounds seem to be the main target for this weapon. T3 will insta-die anyway due to double strength and struggling to think of T3 models with Eternal Warrior (Yarrick?).
Still a 1 in 6 chance to outright kill a giant creature by causing one wound, whether or not it has Eternal Warrior, is bad game design, I think. Should have just given it the Instant Death rule upon a failed strength test.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
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2014/07/21 13:18:21
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Eternal Warrior protects against wounds which cause Instant Death, Helfrost doesn't cause Instant Death, it just removes from play.
You didn't really expect them to lose JotWW, did you?
Christ's sake. I'm not looking forward to playing against that thing with my hive fleet...
...God damn instant death!!!!
S5+ models have a 1 in 6 chance of failing the strength test and these weapons are all heavy 1 of some description, so it's kinda mitigated against big/strong things. Units with S4 and lower and T4 with multiple wounds seem to be the main target for this weapon. T3 will insta-die anyway due to double strength and struggling to think of T3 models with Eternal Warrior (Yarrick?).
Still a 1 in 6 chance to outright kill a giant creature by causing one wound, whether or not it has Eternal Warrior, is bad game design, I think. Should have just given it the Instant Death rule upon a failed strength test.
That doesn't sound fun at all. It shouldn't have skyfire with that gun should it?
2014/07/21 13:23:52
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
Not a big fan of the design, it's just a shoe-box with engines stuck on it, even the orks have heard of rounded designs or is it because apple owns rounded corners?
His Master's Voice wrote: This happens to be the most SM looking flier ever made by GW proper and people are complaining. Kinda funny.
I'm not sure what makes it "the most SM looking flier ever", to me it just looks ugly as hell. FWIW, I also think the other SM fliers are ugly as hell, just in a different way. The only half decent ones are the Stormeagle and Thunderhawk.
2014/07/21 13:36:56
Subject: Space Wolves coming up :flyer pics & Teaser vid p11
His Master's Voice wrote: This happens to be the most SM looking flier ever made by GW proper and people are complaining. Kinda funny.
I'm not sure what makes it "the most SM looking flier ever", to me it just looks ugly as hell. FWIW, I also think the other SM fliers are ugly as hell, just in a different way. The only half decent ones are the Stormeagle and Thunderhawk.
This is literally the exact same design pattern the Hawk and Eagle have.
They all have the same aerodynamic functionality too.
Consistency, yo. Angled plates and curves have no place in SM vehicle, unless they're heresy era.