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**Yodhrin**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Haljin wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Am I seeing the same flier as everyone else who thinks it looks good because to me it looks like an ugly as all hell brick?

People have different aesthetic tastes? Stop the press!
Well of course. I'm not surprised there are people who like it, I'm surprised at the number of people who like it. Upon seeing the pictures I was expecting more like 90% "that thing is ugly" and 10% "I want it to have my babies", not the other way around.

To be fair, there's a lot less than 90% "have my babies", a lot of it is more "well, at least it's not a kick in the nuts".

**MetalOxide**

I like the new flier. Are those grav-plates on the bottom of it?

**Haljin**

So, this one clearly has an assault ramp in the front. Awesome

**Paradigm**

Variant looks a lot better. I still prefer the looks of the Ceastus and Storm Eagle, but that at least looks ok, if you think of it as a mid-altitude skimmer rather than a low-altitude flier. The jets are used for manoeuvring, the grav-plates keep it airborne. (not official, just my thoughts, to clarify).

I still don't see anything other than the iconography that would preclude other chapters from having it. Unless the SW designed and built this themselves on Fenris, which seems unlikely, why is the STC not shared around?

**cincydooley**

Well I guess this makes me 1 for 1.

**angelofvengeance**

So Dark Angels get Stasis weapons and Rift cannon. Space Wolves get Ice guns and...

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Paradigm wrote:
Variant looks a lot better. I still prefer the looks of the Ceastus and Storm Eagle, but that at least looks ok, if you think of it as a mid-altitude skimmer rather than a low-altitude flier. The jets are used for manoeuvring, the grav-plates keep it airborne. (not official, just my thoughts, to clarify).

I still don't see anything other than the iconography that would preclude other chapters from having it. Unless the SW designed and built this themselves on Fenris, which seems unlikely, why is the STC not shared around?

Maybe they're douches like the Dark Angels and keep the fun stuff to themselves?

**Paradigm**

angelofvengeance wrote:
So Dark Angels get Stasis weapons and Rift cannon. Space Wolves get Ice guns and...

Looking at the pics, more missiles than you can shake a wolf at. Seriously, these things are packing some serious firepower, even the transport version. The Stormraven may end up jealous...

**BlaxicanX**

Where are these grav-plates you guys are seeing? Are they the little fins near the front of the nose, or are you referring to the grey bars running underside it?

EDIT- Also, good catch to the gentlemen who brought up the Slave-1. That's a much better representation of what I was trying to say.

**Paradigm**

angelofvengeance wrote:

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Paradigm wrote:
Variant looks a lot better. I still prefer the looks of the Ceastus and Storm Eagle, but that at least looks ok, if you think of it as a mid-altitude skimmer rather than a low-altitude flier. The jets are used for manoeuvring, the grav-plates keep it airborne. (not official, just my thoughts, to clarify).

I still don't see anything other than the iconography that would preclude other chapters from having it. Unless the SW designed and built this themselves on Fenris, which seems unlikely, why is the STC not shared around?

Maybe they're douches like the Dark Angels and keep the fun stuff to themselves?

But Fenris doesn't strike me as the kind of world where they could produce such a vehicle, especially in any significant number. It seems to me they'd have to farm out the production to a Forge World, and then it would be out of their hands.

**Grimtuff**

The variant looks a little better but it still looks terrible.

I'll stick with my Storm Eagle TVM.

**TheWolfGuard**

Damn it games workshop now I need to buy 2, one as a gunship and second as the assault craft.

I'm loving these, so wolfy and awesome

**Kid_Kyoto**

BlaxicanX wrote:
I don't have a whole lot of experience with SM flyers, having never used the Stormraven myself.

But... looking at that flyer almost gives me a headache. How does it fly, much less lift-off? I'm not an aviation buff, I don't actually know gak about how planes work in real life, and I don't expect sci-fi / fantasy flying vehicles to be faithful to realistic flying physics. But god damn, just the sheer... aesthetic of the model, every aspect of its design, fills my mind with a visceral image of the pilot gunning the engines, the back end lifting up and the nose burying itself into the ground.

It's just... so incredibly back-heavy.

Anti-grav?

Really that's the only way any Imperial fliers get off the ground.

**Jefffar**

So looking at the weapons load out on the gunship a few issues I think.

1) The Hell Frost Destructor being at the very front of the craft on a hull mounting means there will be a very large blind spot just in front of the vehicle.
2) The Stormstrike Missiles/Las Cannons will be positioned such that they can't fire down, period. They are more or les flush with the top of the model.
3) On the plus side, the placement of the Heavy Bolter/Multi-Melta/Missile Launchers well back will allow them to cover some of that blind spot at the front, but limits the effective range of the Multi-meltas.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

I don't know how I feel about it yet but I'm gonna try and stop in my flgs to take a look at it if I can.

I'm gutted about the changes to GH and WG. Can someone mathhammer and let me know if fifteen BC at their regular ws/bs is worth taking over ten GH? I'm gonna have to sit down and figure out what's what since now models HAVE to be wysiwyg.

Oh well, maybe we can at least get the Hellfrost weapons as a special troop choice like someone was hoping for earlier, that'd be pretty cool. (fingers are still extra crossed that they become Vlka Fenryka as their new codex name)

Edit: What does a lance weapon do again?

**lord_blackfang**

Oh wow, this thing is nice. I was hoping for a transporter dual kit when I saw the first pic, and got it right.

Between this and the SW models from the Stormclaw box... I might actually start a SW army, rather than selling off those SW.

**BlaxicanX**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
I don't know how I feel about it yet but I'm gonna try and stop in my flgs to take a look at it if I can.

I'm gutted about the changes to GH and WG. Can someone mathhammer and let me know if fifteen BC at their regular ws/bs is worth taking over ten GH? I'm gonna have to sit down and figure out what's what since now models HAVE to be wysiwyg.

Oh well, maybe we can at least get the Hellfrost weapons as a special troop choice like someone was hoping for earlier, that'd be pretty cool. (fingers are still extra crossed that they become Vlka Fenryka as their new codex name)

Edit: What does a lance weapon do again?

Lance treats AV13 and 14 as AV12 for the purposes of penetration rolls.

**STC_LogisEngine**

Not bad, not bad at all. GW should peek ove the fence at what FW are doing more often, not that I care that much, having migrated into the Heresy side of things and only buy FW-models.

(yes, my wallet weeps)

Well, beside giving it a huge gun and a minimal troop-capacity that is.
They should have sized the moment and made a proper assault-ship like the mini-caestus it resembles. EDIT: And they did, should have guessed, hope the rules make it worthwile and not just another gunboat.

After all, as it is now, you really don't want to go hovering and let stuff assault from your Stormraven/Eagle/whatevs. Sure, the new Jink rule helps with a 4+ but.. only that far.

The Caestus however is perfect, toting AV13, 5++ to the front and Armoured Ceramite (aka. Two dice for armorpenetration? dream on son!) And also the fact that it can Ram (because of having the Tank type), it also rams like a flying brick does, can't ram at less strenght than 10, adds +1 to the damagechart and rolls two dice for penetrating armor.

Then there's probably 10 assault terminators or so inside, popping out with the assault vehicle rule, and counts as having assault grenades from the Caestus' frag launchers.

MmmmMmm!

**Paradigm**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

I'm gutted about the changes to GH and WG. Can someone mathhammer and let me know if fifteen BC at their regular ws/bs is worth taking over ten GH? I'm gonna have to sit down and figure out what's what since now models HAVE to be wysiwyg.

Don't do anything drastic like changing models yet! These are just rumours at the moment, and pretty sketchy ones at best, so wait until we have the codex before panicking. I still think/hope it'll be an upgrade or swap, as per CSM.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Am I seeing the same flier as everyone else who thinks it looks good because to me it looks like an ugly as all hell brick?

Yeah when I saw it I was expecting a bit of a GW bashing. It's the Storm Talon part which really ruins it for me, it just looks like they took two models and jammed together without trying to blend them together.

**Uriels_Flame**

I can find a use for a giant ice cannon - make my fortification look like the giant boob cannon on Hoth.

As someone obviously has the rules for both variants, can we get some more info on how things actually work/loadouts and the $ cost for this?

16 model capacity makes me feel warm and fuzzy as Bloodclaws with Runepriest and/or WG Sgt assaulting out of this thing is going to be great

And possibly WG Termies get useful?

Also, am I spotting new predator variants on the front cover???

**lord_blackfang**

Paradigm wrote:
I still don't see anything other than the iconography that would preclude other chapters from having it. Unless the SW designed and built this themselves on Fenris, which seems unlikely, why is the STC not shared around?

You can mix and match all imperial stuff now in the core rules, remember? Enjoy your Stormwolf full of Death Company and Storm Raven full of Deathwing escorted by Vendettas.

**Mr Morden**

That actually looks cool - soo much better than the recent horrible GW SM flyers

**Paradigm**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
I still don't see anything other than the iconography that would preclude other chapters from having it. Unless the SW designed and built this themselves on Fenris, which seems unlikely, why is the STC not shared around?

You can mix and match all imperial stuff now in the core rules, remember? Enjoy your Stormwolf full of Death Company and Storm Raven full of Deathwing escorted by Vendettas.

I know, but I was more looking for the fluff reason.

**Uriels_Flame**

7th Ed has killed the fluff reasoning for me. I still enjoy the items for what they are, but I know that doesn't have any effect on actual game play.

Once upon a time though...

**ImAGeek**

I think that transport variant looks awesome.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Uriels_Flame wrote:

Also, am I spotting new predator variants on the front cover???

Look like the regular ones to me.

**silverstu**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
If there is really no front hatch, my enthusiasm has waned somewhat!

That is the gun boat version- there is a second version as a transport with a front assault ramp and a capacity for 16 i think. Pics on Warseer.

**Ian Sturrock**

Yes! I see that now. And my enthusiasm has surged once more, to an extent that may prove uncomfortable for my credit card bill.

**Ragnar69**

From Little Bird on Warseer:

As the post count indicates, I'm new to rumormongering, as is my source. Releasing things a bit at a time was what they wanted. Since everybody is hungry for details and 'credibility' though, I pressed them to give me everything they've got. Here it is:

Stormwolf - Fast Attack - Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)

Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts
Ceramite Plating

Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit

Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull

Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support - Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)

Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts
Ceramite Plating

Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit

Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull

Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost

Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance

Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play

**Paradigm**

Ok, those rules are pretty lethal. Lots of AP with the Helfrost/Lascannon/MM setup.