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SilverAlien wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Plague Hulk of Nurgle has no <Legion> key word :(
Looks like he will be a -1 CP formation take once the DG codex is out..

Is it not a LoW choice? You don't take a cp penalty for those.

Nope, Heavy Support! You can take it alongside DEATH GUARD units in the same detachment, as long as you declare the faction to be either CHAOS or NURGLE.

Same thing for Greater Blight Drones, although they are obviously Fast Attack.

The Greater Blight Drone and many of the Hellforged vehicles have the <LEGION> keyword, but you could argue either way if you can choose DEATH GUARD for that or not - The Death Guard list specifies that you can only pick from the "Heretic Astartes units" referenced in that (overly restrictive) list. One could interpret the wording of "Heretic Astartes units" as just the data slates printed in the Chaos Marine list in Index Chaos and not necessarily all HERETIC ASTARTES units?

New high-res image of Mortarion/DG battle scene from WD.

Look at all the Nurgley bis!

I can't wait for Mortarion's model, looking at that high res image! I am LOVING the figures from the DI box set, just built them all today and got my paints ready for tomorrow. I. Need. Mortarion. Now. Plez. GW... plez.... now... like today... last second announcement that he's out... GW.... plez

Pleasantly surprised with the DI figures. Pleased that some of the heads are seperate, bloody amazed at how many random fine details there are overall - the poxwalkers have SO MANY FINE DETAILS. Like, some hobbit level tiny detail on them.

Chosen Conversions are feasible. Just have to figure out what I want in my SWA killteam as well

Looks like Scabby and the Greater bloat drones will be fairly usable. I'm glad - but still trying to see what the rules will be with the plague toads.

The toads can fly.
In not sure why

Captyn_Bob wrote:
The toads can fly.
In not sure why

BOING! They're super hoppy.

 Swara wrote:

Does anyone have t he rules for the greater Bloat drone? I have 5 and I 'm getting antsy to see how they will fair.

They're pretty damn good
Fast Attack

BS3+ T7 W12

5++ from Daemon Engine
Regenerates a wound each turn

3 weapons:
Bile Maw - Pistol D3, S8 AP -2 D3 Damage reroll 1s to wound
Blightreaper Cannon - Heavy 4 S7 AP -1 2 damage, AP increased to -3 on a to-hit roll of 6
Plague Probe CCW

11 Power
200pts after weapons (Daamn!)

Cant be taken in swarms anymore so you'll have to get a big detachment to fit your 5 (I have 3 + 3 Bloat Drones, I'm gonna need a detachment just for Drones!)

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
The toads can fly.
In not sure why

BOING! They're super hoppy.

A Plague Toad jumping so high he just crash agains't an Airplane like a deer and both explode in the air. Beautifull.

 Swara wrote:


Can you not just have them all "connect" via the Nurgle keyword?

You can, I am hoping to take a full "Death Guard" army once the codex drops though, and mitigate the loss of benefits.
Can't do that with the Plague Hulk

If I had to guess The Tainted is something you can choose for your legion Keyword. So right now he has The tainted legion keyword and the Death Guard legion key word.

So you can choose to make a tainted legion and have him buff them. However it basically prevents you from stacking DG buffs from him on units.

I am 100 percent making a Tally man demon engine army once Im totally sure that they do indeed count.

Looks like death guard plague marines can be taken as trooops in detachments with any other Chaos units. Detachments only require one of the same faction key words and since there are all Chaos, seems like all Chaos models can be fielded together in one detachment. You all agree?

How is everyone finding their armies are performing on the table?

I played a 50 power level game, Lord of Contagion, Blight bringer, x3 squads of 7 plague marines and a bloat drone vs. the Primaris starter set.

Plaguemarines are definitely easier to kill IMO, but still can withstand decent amount of small arms fire. Hell blasters put a hurt on me though. Losing assault/defensive grenades benefits also hurts. Regular plague marines just don't do much against primaris in close combat without some lucky rolls. Power fists seem like a necessity on Champs IMO. Supercharging plasma screwed me every time

I won the mission, but only by killing the Primaris captain. I was on the losing side in terms of casualties, although it was fairly close.

Had a lot of fun with the new rules, but really looking forward to a codex, because we need it. Havocs are sorely missed for me. Bloat drones are way cooler than I expected though!

 sennacherib wrote:
Looks like death guard plague marines can be taken as trooops in detachments with any other Chaos units. Detachments only require one of the same faction key words and since there are all Chaos, seems like all Chaos models can be fielded together in one detachment. You all agree?

This is true. For the time being there is no real impact - the impact will hit when we see the first Codexes where the equivalent armywide rules/benefits apply to detachments with more restricted keywords - we have no idea how powerful these may be.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

 Mister Feral wrote:
Necrosius the Undying has THE TAINTED keyword, which is odd since he actually belongs to the Apostles of Contagion.

Also, he can't buff pure DEATH GUARD units, but instead only Poxwalkers and THE TAINTED units.

Hmmmmmm....

Maybe Tainted is a warband keyword within the Death Guard force after all for all purposes Death Guard are their own faction now so it could be a chapter / warband like how in the blood angels forces you can make them one of the successors like flesh tearers etc

Though Manon has the Tainted keyword as well but not Death Guard so it's pretty odd

Don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but in the main rulebook there is a mention of Pestigors on page 161.

The "Final Assault Upon Cadia":

Plague Armies
Slogoth Poxbelly Exalted Greater Daemon
Drub'sla Plaguehost 7 Legions
Three-Eyed Tolltakers 7 Legions
Blightwalkers 7 Legions
Nurgling Tide Uncountable
The Tainted 7 Companies
The Horned Pestigor Legion
The Risen Plague Zombies
Ogryn Brutepox 3 Companies
The Stigmatus Convent Entire Cult
The Viscous Entire Cult

There's also a cool mention for "The Decadent Horde" of Slaanesh of something called the "Tentacled Behemoth", a Warp Monster.

 plagueknight wrote:

 Mister Feral wrote:
Necrosius the Undying has THE TAINTED keyword, which is odd since he actually belongs to the Apostles of Contagion.

Also, he can't buff pure DEATH GUARD units, but instead only Poxwalkers and THE TAINTED units.

Hmmmmmm....

Maybe Tainted is a warband keyword within the Death Guard force after all for all purposes Death Guard are their own faction now so it could be a chapter / warband like how in the blood angels forces you can make them one of the successors like flesh tearers etc

Though Manon has the Tainted keyword as well but not Death Guard so it's pretty odd

Iirc 'The Tainted' were the combined Nurgle Renegade forces during the Siege of Vraks. We really have to see what the FW AM Index does for Renegades to figure out properly...

 Leth wrote:
If I had to guess The Tainted is something you can choose for your legion Keyword. So right now he has The tainted legion keyword and the Death Guard legion key word.

So you can choose to make a tainted legion and have him buff them. However it basically prevents you from stacking DG buffs from him on units.

I don't think they'd let him have both "The Tainted" and "Death Guard" as Legion-equivalent keywords...

I can however see "The Tainted" potentially being a keyword tied to Traitor Guard.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 plagueknight wrote:

 Mister Feral wrote:
Necrosius the Undying has THE TAINTED keyword, which is odd since he actually belongs to the Apostles of Contagion.

Also, he can't buff pure DEATH GUARD units, but instead only Poxwalkers and THE TAINTED units.

Hmmmmmm....

Maybe Tainted is a warband keyword within the Death Guard force after all for all purposes Death Guard are their own faction now so it could be a chapter / warband like how in the blood angels forces you can make them one of the successors like flesh tearers etc

Though Manon has the Tainted keyword as well but not Death Guard so it's pretty odd

Iirc 'The Tainted' were the combined Nurgle Renegade forces during the Siege of Vraks. We really have to see what the FW AM Index does for Renegades to figure out properly...

So, I looked it up in Vraks book 3.

The Tainted are a "large Death Guard sub-faction. Now connected with the daemon-prince Mamon".
Necrosius himself is part of the "Apostles of Contagion", a group that "bend knee to no master save Father Nurgle" and they have a rivalry with Typhus.

There isn't a whole lot of stuff in there from a brief onceover.

I have a feeling that is all about to be retconned Kanluwen, and having all Death Guard listening to the call of Mortarion (if the index is anything to go by)

 Rippy wrote:
I have a feeling that is all about to be retconned Kanluwen, and having all Death Guard listening to the call of Mortarion (if the index is anything to go by)

In dark imperium Typhus basically tells Mortarion to go F-#$ himself so I doubt that.

 Leth wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I have a feeling that is all about to be retconned Kanluwen, and having all Death Guard listening to the call of Mortarion (if the index is anything to go by)

In dark imperium Typhus basically tells Mortarion to go F-#$ himself so I doubt that.

Indeed.

 Leth wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I have a feeling that is all about to be retconned Kanluwen, and having all Death Guard listening to the call of Mortarion (if the index is anything to go by)

In dark imperium Typhus basically tells Mortarion to go F-#$ himself so I doubt that.

But they are still pretty much working together, yes? (I haven't read it yet)
If so, that is already super retconned from before.

 Rippy wrote:

 Leth wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I have a feeling that is all about to be retconned Kanluwen, and having all Death Guard listening to the call of Mortarion (if the index is anything to go by)

In dark imperium Typhus basically tells Mortarion to go F-#$ himself so I doubt that.

But they are still pretty much working together, yes? (I haven't read it yet)
If so, that is already super retconned from before.

Not really?

The Tainted were more just doing their own thing.

Typhus split from Morty a while ago (millenia?). This s why he is called Typhus the Traveler. While Morty took some time off after the Heresy, Typhus started his Plague Crusade.

Most if not all of the Traitor Legion First Captains have fallen out with their respective Primarchs. The big 4 most definitely.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Leth wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I have a feeling that is all about to be retconned Kanluwen, and having all Death Guard listening to the call of Mortarion (if the index is anything to go by)

In dark imperium Typhus basically tells Mortarion to go F-#$ himself so I doubt that.

But they are still pretty much working together, yes? (I haven't read it yet)
If so, that is already super retconned from before.

Not really?

The Tainted were more just doing their own thing.

Sorry I fail to see what the tainted has to do with Typhus and Mortarion's feud? Or is this another retcon?


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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Typhus split from Morty a while ago (millenia?). This s why he is called Typhus the Traveler. While Morty took some time off after the Heresy, Typhus started his Plague Crusade.

Most if not all of the Traitor Legion First Captains have fallen out with their respective Primarchs. The big 4 most definitely.

I get that, but the chaos index implies they are working together again, even if begrudgingly.
I am interested to know which fluff is correct:
1) the index was wrong, Typhus and Mortarion still oppose each other
2) the index was right and Typhus and Mortarion will work alongside each other (liking each other isn't a requirement for this)

They probably Allied together through Keyword <Nurgle>!

I definitely want to check out Dark Imperium now, I love all fluff regarding Morty, Typhus and the Legion.

I know that Typhus doesn't respect Mortarion, but I'm curious if Mortarion resents Typhus for being a psyker and betraying them to Nurgle in the first place.

Mortarian told Typhus to follow his plan, Typhus told him to go F himself and he was going to do his own thing.

So yeah, not quite working together.