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Gorram, new Nuln Oil might be the ticket to easy White Scars

The new contrasts are staying at £4.75 and the 18ml shades are £4.75 as well.

White Scar spray is £13.75

 stahly wrote:
So, I have been allowed to try out the new formula Citadel Shade paints for a few weeks now and I've put my thoughts in a video. I'll have a look at all 7 new Shade paints and also compare the old versions of favourites like Nuln Oil and Agrax Earthshade with their new version. Are they really an improvement or just the same product in a smaller 18ml pot?




Written version over on my website, including a hand-painted comparison sheet with all 19 Shade paints plus the old gloss shades:
https://taleofpainters.com/2022/06/review-new-formula-citadel-shade-paints-better-or-just-smaller-pots/

Let me know if you have any questions.

Question? Why are you wearing a mask? Humans follow mouth and facial expressions along with sound in interpreting language, gaining information about value and affect, for instance. The mask forbids this natural activity, and feels artificial, as if listening to an ATM machine. That makes the video listenable, but frankly unbearable to watch. Masks are not conducive to effective communication. Not for me, thanks…

 jeff white wrote:

 stahly wrote:
So, I have been allowed to try out the new formula Citadel Shade paints for a few weeks now and I've put my thoughts in a video. I'll have a look at all 7 new Shade paints and also compare the old versions of favourites like Nuln Oil and Agrax Earthshade with their new version. Are they really an improvement or just the same product in a smaller 18ml pot?




Written version over on my website, including a hand-painted comparison sheet with all 19 Shade paints plus the old gloss shades:
https://taleofpainters.com/2022/06/review-new-formula-citadel-shade-paints-better-or-just-smaller-pots/

Let me know if you have any questions.

Question? Why are you wearing a mask? Humans follow mouth and facial expressions along with sound in interpreting language, gaining information about value and affect, for instance. The mask forbids this natural activity, and feels artificial, as if listening to an ATM machine. That makes the video listenable, but frankly unbearable to watch. Masks are not conducive to effective communication. Not for me, thanks…

Thank you for this valuable comment. As you can easily tell from my avatar, I wear a half-mask made by Aeldari craftsmanship to protect my face from the prying eyes of the internet and hazards of content creation.

I bet there are a lot of other content creators to watch if you can't stand my face

Now that the release date is set in stone, the real question is what will I do for the next three weeks? Try to finish as many models from the WIP pile as possible or build a ton of new models to try new paints on? Unfortunately I think I know the answer

 jeff white wrote:

 stahly wrote:
So, I have been allowed to try out the new formula Citadel Shade paints for a few weeks now and I've put my thoughts in a video. I'll have a look at all 7 new Shade paints and also compare the old versions of favourites like Nuln Oil and Agrax Earthshade with their new version. Are they really an improvement or just the same product in a smaller 18ml pot?




Written version over on my website, including a hand-painted comparison sheet with all 19 Shade paints plus the old gloss shades:
https://taleofpainters.com/2022/06/review-new-formula-citadel-shade-paints-better-or-just-smaller-pots/

Let me know if you have any questions.

Question? Why are you wearing a mask? Humans follow mouth and facial expressions along with sound in interpreting language, gaining information about value and affect, for instance. The mask forbids this natural activity, and feels artificial, as if listening to an ATM machine. That makes the video listenable, but frankly unbearable to watch. Masks are not conducive to effective communication. Not for me, thanks…

While all of that is true, I was still able to follow what Stahly was trying to get across. A mask not being "conducive" to "effective communication" in this case has not prevented Stahly from effectively communicating to at least the level necessary for me to be able to fully comprehend him.

Not sure why that wasn't the case for you, though. Are you okay?

 jeff white wrote:
Question? Why are you wearing a mask? Humans follow mouth and facial expressions along with sound in interpreting language, gaining information about value and affect, for instance. The mask forbids this natural activity, and feels artificial, as if listening to an ATM machine. That makes the video listenable, but frankly unbearable to watch. Masks are not conducive to effective communication. Not for me, thanks…

Absolutely this. Lipreading, at even a basic level, can make a big difference when people are trying to understand, or remember, what is being said. For people who are viewing in a 2nd or 3rd language, that helps a lot.

 Skinnereal wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
Question? Why are you wearing a mask? Humans follow mouth and facial expressions along with sound in interpreting language, gaining information about value and affect, for instance. The mask forbids this natural activity, and feels artificial, as if listening to an ATM machine. That makes the video listenable, but frankly unbearable to watch. Masks are not conducive to effective communication. Not for me, thanks…

Absolutely this. Lipreading, at even a basic level, can make a big difference when people are trying to understand, or remember, what is being said. For people who are viewing in a 2nd or 3rd language, that helps a lot.

I never really thought about it before covid masks started, but you are 100% correct.
As a 2nd language I really struggled to talk with people wearing covid masks because I could not lipread anymore. Strange that how much we lipread without realising.

As for the Mask on the video makes it a bit harder but its a personal choice and we should respect that.
The content is top notch as always and I thank you so much these reviewers, saves me tons of money.

Regardless of ink names and such I really dont like paints changing so often... defies the point of having a consistent army done with them... So yeah one less point to buy from GW.

 Skinnereal wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
Question? Why are you wearing a mask? Humans follow mouth and facial expressions along with sound in interpreting language, gaining information about value and affect, for instance. The mask forbids this natural activity, and feels artificial, as if listening to an ATM machine. That makes the video listenable, but frankly unbearable to watch. Masks are not conducive to effective communication. Not for me, thanks…

Absolutely this. Lipreading, at even a basic level, can make a big difference when people are trying to understand, or remember, what is being said. For people who are viewing in a 2nd or 3rd language, that helps a lot.

I agree... but then a whole heap of youtubers don't show their faces at all to hide their identity so it hardly bothers me if one decides to wear a mask (though if he's doing it to hide his identity it's probably not a great choice, I'm sure people can still recognise him in spite of the mask).

Seems a weird point to complain about considering 90% of youtube painting tutorials and the like don't show the persons face anyway as they are just a voiceover while you watch the actual painting. I'd probably recommend subtitles

This is the first time I have ever heard a single person complain about lip reading in a painting guide

specially with the guide being available as plain text as well

Eh, we all know exactly what type of person will radomly trip over someone else wearing a mask.

Looks like they timed this for right after the release...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/27/get-ready-to-celebrate-painting-with-the-warhammer-paintathon/

Funny that on a reviewer end of video bloopers he spilled the pot while opening it and almost spilled it twice by cleaning it. Yep truly horrible pots.

Also the comment that These are Better, well better at doing what you like them to do ( means jack to me) Or better at doing the same thing?
I mean looking at null oil, well I may want to have the darker tint overall on all mini rater than just darker recesses. Its fundamentally different.
Thats not better thats different.

For me shades are good to shade the full colour not just the recesses.

 NAVARRO wrote:


For me shades are good to shade the full colour not just the recesses.

This is my current worry too, going off of the tester posted a page back. These new shades seem great at doing recesses, but might be way worse at doing things like tinting the color of the texture paints on a base.

Another look at new Contrast paints by Broadsword Wargaming:

I like the striking scorpion green. And I appreciate the influencers showing us comparisons on models in well lit studios.

Still…

Tell us, citizen. What do you think of this new product?

I loved it. It was better than Cats. I plan on using this new product again and again.

The more I see it the less I like it.

I mean they seem to behave SO drastically different. Some as opaque as it can get while others so thin with minimal coverage.

This is why these reviews are so important, I would never spend the cash on expensive paints just to figure out the coverage.

Should they not behave similarly? They dont look like they are part of the same subrange at all.

With the reduction in size are these officially the most expensive mini paints?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Should they not behave similarly? They dont look like they are part of the same subrange at all.

Yep. And that's why it's such a marketing failure by GW, you shouldn't have to depend on third-party reviews to figure out what the actual behavior of your paints will be. Every other range has accurate labeling, why can't GW do the same?

 NAVARRO wrote:

With the reduction in size are these officially the most expensive mini paints?

Contrast paints stay at 18ml for the same price as before. Shades drop from 24ml to 18ml for the same price as Contrast paints.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The more I see it the less I like it.

I mean they seem to behave SO drastically different. Some as opaque as it can get while others so thin with minimal coverage.

This is why these reviews are so important, I would never spend the cash on expensive paints just to figure out the coverage.

Should they not behave similarly? They dont look like they are part of the same subrange at all.

It's not like the first wave of Contrast paints have the same coverage. Compare Magos Purple and Aethermatic Blue and Shyish Purple and Cygor Brown and you'll see a wide range of coverage as well.

You understand that doesn't refute anything Navarro said, right?

It shows that coverage has never been what is used to determine what a Contrast paint is and GW isn’t going to change it now.

At the risk of repeating myself...

 Ghaz wrote:
It's not like the first wave of Contrast paints have the same coverage. Compare Magos Purple and Aethermatic Blue and Shyish Purple and Cygor Brown and you'll see a wide range of coverage as well.

True. And they should have fixed that.

I like the "rusty" effect on the Killa Kan. I've never tried contrast paints or their equivalents so far but since I have a bunch of scratch built ork vehicles that I'd like to speed paint I might try that Garaghak's Sewer.

In all fairness Contrast was never well marketed in the first place, the range has been all over the place with coverage, and never really worked with one thick coat or as a universal “speed paint”. That being said I can see why GW would want to simplify the ranges and it was easier to group them based on having a similar medium as well as being best used over a lighter undercoats.

Anyway, I’m a bit hesitant with the reformulated shades paints, they probably are more useful for people who just want to hit the recesses with minimal staining on the surface but I mostly use them as a filter and for recess shading at the same time. Some of the new contrast paints do look fun and useful, especially the brighter greens and purples.

 kodos wrote:
specially with the guide being available as plain text as well

I watched a few seconds, so I missed that component of the video.
I don't do videos at all, since I can skim-read an article far faster than listed to a video.
Hidden faces also passed me by, for that reason.

 Ghaz wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
The more I see it the less I like it.

I mean they seem to behave SO drastically different. Some as opaque as it can get while others so thin with minimal coverage.

This is why these reviews are so important, I would never spend the cash on expensive paints just to figure out the coverage.

Should they not behave similarly? They dont look like they are part of the same subrange at all.

It's not like the first wave of Contrast paints have the same coverage. Compare Magos Purple and Aethermatic Blue and Shyish Purple and Cygor Brown and you'll see a wide range of coverage as well.

Looks like the case but the fact the range is expanding more and more I think that perpetuating this "issue" will only IMO increase the confusion.
Whey you buy a layer a base or a ink you expected them to have differences in therms of cover too due to pigments but never so wildly different as contrasts.
On the last video even the YouTuber said that feels some should be technicals instead of contrasts etc.

When I pick a colour from the shelve I go by range and colour. I cant do that effectively with contrasts, I pick a colour but I dont know if its translucid or opaque. Makes it hard for me to choose a contrast. See my point? The name of the subrange does not actually help.

For the expensive price of the pots im not willing to experiment and try myself either.