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Newbie question here! I've searched the forums and have read all of the fall back and regrouping threads that I could find, but unfortunately I didn't see anything that would answer this question. Probably because my question is on the basic side of regrouping criteria and most of the other threads are more complicated scenarios.

Pg. 46 of the rule book says "falling back units cannot attempt (to regroup) if ... the unit is below half strength". Is that below half of the strength of the unit when it was deployed or when it started the phase?

Another similar question concerns the 25% casualties trigger for morale checks. Pg. 44 of the rule book says "a unit losing 25% or more of its models during a single phase must pass a morale check at the end of that phase, or else it will fall back." I understand that this does not affect close combat casualties. Is the 25% based on the strength of the unit at deployment or at the start of that phase? For example: a unit was deployed with 10 models. In one shooting phase it loses 2 models (20%), in a subsequent shooting phase it loses 1 model. The unit has lost 30% of its deployment strength, but it lost 2/10 (20%) in one phase and 1/8 (12.5%) in another phase. Does this unit have to take a moral check at the end of the second shooting phase?

Thank you very much for your help.

Regrouping is disallowed if the "unit is below half strength"

This means if a unit started with 10 models and is down to 4 models it is no longer eligible to regroup.

So only if it is currently below half of the strength of the unit when it was deployed can it not regroup.

As for casualties, the example on P.44 under casualties says it all. Casualties are based off current unit strength.

So in your example you do not need to take a Morale Check.

Just remember that certain things can allow you to regroup even under 50% strength some examples

Space Marines : ATSKNF
Imp Guard: Order : Get back in the fight

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Just remember that certain things can allow you to regroup even under 50% strength some examples

Space Marines : ATSKNF
Imp Guard: Order : Get back in the fight

Another one: Eldar falling back into the Avatars fearless bubble.

Ghazzguls waagh! as well

Tyranid synapse.Regroup is availible regardless of all restrictions.

The Tau bonding knife wargear allows units to roll to regroup, regardless of strength as well.

Thank you all very much for the input. This is as I had interpreted the rules also. Unfortunately, I have a friend who is learning the ropes with me and now he feels that ATSKNF is unbalanced so he is only willing to play as SM. He can play whatever army he wants to, but I'd hate to see him play one army due to a rule when I know he'd rather play another army (eldar). Anyhow, I've gotten off track from the rule discussion and should probably end this here... thanks again for all of your help!

nosferatu1001 wrote:Ghazzguls waagh! as well

I thought Ghazz's Waaaagh specifically prohibited models that were falling back from becoming fearless?

haendas wrote:Thank you all very much for the input. This is as I had interpreted the rules also. Unfortunately, I have a friend who is learning the ropes with me and now he feels that ATSKNF is unbalanced so he is only willing to play as SM. He can play whatever army he wants to, but I'd hate to see him play one army due to a rule when I know he'd rather play another army (eldar). Anyhow, I've gotten off track from the rule discussion and should probably end this here... thanks again for all of your help!

If your friend thinks THAT is unbalanced, wait until he starts learning all the nasty things other codexes can do (RE: Grey Knights, Blood Angels, et al).

You are correct, Ork units that are falling back do not benefit from the Waaagh.