Sweeping advance on monstrous creatures

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**Commissar Agro**

This came up in game recently when my friend's dreadknight lost a combat to some khorne berserkers and failed its morale test, Does this mean that the berserkers can sweeping advance the dreadknight? The BRB dosn't say that they can't so one would assume that they can.

It just seems odd that some infantry can wipe out a MC through a SA.

**Tylarion**

Yes, MC can be killed by sweeping advance, however the Dreadknight is a marine and like all marines(I know off) he has the ATSKNF special rule, which makes them subject to the no retreat! rule when caught by a sweeping advance. So he would instead take wounds instead of being killed instantly.

**knightpredator**

Arent those Fearless? Most MC's I have seen have the Fearless USR, therefore cant be swept. I would say if it didnt then it could be. But I still think most MC's are fearless.

**Jidmah**

As long as they can wound the fleeing unit, they can sweep it.

**geordie09**

So the Dreadknight is a Monstrous creature as opposed to a walker?

**Underachiever**

works like a normal combat result yes he would break and get chased. He does have Shall know no fear but isnt fearless. So he will auto rally if you catch him.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

geordie09 wrote:So the Dreadknight is a Monstrous creature as opposed to a walker?

Yes it has wounds opposed to an AV

Jidmah's got this one, at least the key part to remember

**Commissar Agro**

My friend who plays GK didn't realise that the ATSKNF special rule made them use the "no retreat!" rule until today. But thanks for the help dakka

**tetrisphreak**

All tyranid monstrous creatures have the fearless USR as well. However if there were a way to remove such a USR from a model or unit, they would be just as susceptible to SA as infantry, should they lose combat.

**Jidmah**

Squiggoths aren't fearless

**Happyjew**

tetrisphreak wrote:All tyranid monstrous creatures have the fearless USR as well. However if there were a way to remove such a USR from a model or unit, they would be just as susceptible to SA as infantry, should they lose combat.

Actually, for some reason, Hive Tyrants (including The Swarmlord) and Tervigons are NOT Fearless. I don't know if this was intentional or an oversight, or if it has been changed by a FAQ.

**nosferatu1001**

However they ARE synapse creatures. Thus always in range of synapse. Which makes you fearless.

**triplare**

All MC's are fearless...just FYI.

**Kevin949**

triplare wrote:All MC's are fearless...just FYI.

In one fashion or another, yes they are.

**Spetulhu**

Kevin949 wrote:
triplare wrote:All MC's are fearless...just FYI.

In one fashion or another, yes they are.

But that's not a result of being MCs, it's some additional rules their respective codex books gives them.

**deffskulla**

triplare wrote:All MC's are fearless...just FYI.

I thought this to be true also.

**nosferatu1001**

Dreadknights are NOT fearless, and are MCs

**DeathReaper**

But they do have ATSKNF which helps them not get caught in a sweeping advance.

**Kurgash**

DeathReaper wrote:But they do have ATSKNF which helps them not get caught in a sweeping advance.

But you can chase them off the table. Oh what fun that is.

**nosferatu1001**

DeathReaper wrote:But they do have ATSKNF which helps them not get caught in a sweeping advance.

But they can, and have done for me, run off he table.

(Lost combat by 1, ork didnt catch me (surprise!) and i fell back 17 inches)

**triplare**

Somewhere between MC's being Relentless and Gargants being Fearless I smashed things together and mistakenly put that all MC's are Fearless. My bad.

**Happyjew**

nosferatu1001 wrote:However they ARE synapse creatures. Thus always in range of synapse. Which makes you fearless.

Good point, I forgot about Synapse granting Fearless. Now if only it still grant immunity to ID from Strength double Toughness...

**ScaryNinjaX**

MC's cant be sweeping advanced? since they are fearless they pass a morale check automatically? thats my interoperation

**Deadshot**

Happyjew wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:However they ARE synapse creatures. Thus always in range of synapse. Which makes you fearless.

Good point, I forgot about Synapse granting Fearless. Now if only it still grant immunity to ID from Strength double Toughness...

Only Warriors and The Parasite can be ID.The other synapse creatures have a toughness of 6.
The only MC in Nids codex that can be ID by Str=2XToughness are Mycetic spores(T4) and Harpies(T5)

**Jangustus**

Deadshot.... apart from the numerous special weapons that cause ID, force weapons for starters.... but this is off topic..

always fun to run off ATSKNF people, especially with dreadknights..

**nosferatu1001**

ScaryNinjaX wrote:MC's cant be sweeping advanced? since they are fearless they pass a morale check automatically? thats my interoperation

And, for the nth time - NOT ALL MCS ARE FEARLESS

**Jidmah**

Yup, some of the FW ones can even die to sweeping advances, for example the big squiggoth(not the gargantuan one).