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Idk if this should be an Hq choice, but I believe it could be fun to play test and could possibly add some flair until the new dex comes out. Plz give suggestions where you see fit! thx! I also made my own model of how i saw it so ill
upload a pic.


The C’Tan’s Champion:
This once mighty space marine warrior has fallen into the clutches of the necrons and the c’tan. This hero has been experimented on and looks as if different powerful weapons from the imperium have just been attached any way possible. This warrior has then been killed, drained of his very soul and imprisoned in the makeshift body. The c’tan’s champion is normally used to lead a group of warriors into battle against the imperium. This warrior wields a bolter in one hand, and a powerful melee weapon in the other. The champion also leads into battle with a phase cannon mounted on his back.
Ws:4 Bs:4 S:5 T:5 W:2 I:2 A:2 LD:10 save:3+ Cost:200
Necromantic- The c’tan’s champion is followed by a few scarabs that help the fallen necrons come back to the fight.
All units within 6 inches of the champion gain a 1+ to the we’ll be back special rule even if they are not necrons. Example pariahs would then get a 6+ wbb roll after death unless killed by a power weapon.
Fury of the c’tan- The c’tan watch over the battle field and enjoy making as much havoc as can be. During the battle the c’tan can donate a bit of their power to the champion to make him become enraged.
Roll for this as if you would roll for reserves (starting on turn 2) if this power comes in, the champion becomes str:6 ws:6 bs:6 and t:6.
Necron special rules
Wargear:
Phase cannon- range 48’ str:5 ap:6 heavy2 blast
Gause bolter- range 24’ str:4 ap6 assault1
The halberd of mechanized undeath: This counts as a c’tan phase knife, and upon a roll of a 6 to wound, the target of the attack counts as instant death. The target of this attack should not be removed from the table but should “lay down” as if it was a necron awaiting its wbb roll. This now can benefit from the 6+ wbb roll granted by the champions necromantic rule. If a 6 is rolled for the 6+ wbb, the target would roll from the following table:
6-pariah
5-flayed one
1-4- necron warrior
The target will then rise, as rolled, fighting for the necrons.

i actually like this

"The halberd of mechanized undeath". Really?

Ravendove wrote:"The halberd of mechanized undeath". Really?

still better then the GW book writer who i refuse to name due to his HORRIBLE set of backround stuff in the SM codex

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
still better then the GW book writer who i refuse to name due to his HORRIBLE set of backround stuff in the SM codex

Hmm... haters gonna hate.



I like the idea, I would of made him more of a combat monster, leading from the front of the warriors, resurrecting them as they fall, rather than a weapons platform

No.

Honestly, this is a perfect example of "ridiculousness".

You butchered fluff(A Necronized Space Marine? Really? And someone has the gall to say this is better than Ward's stuff?) and seemingly just slapped weapons onto the profile.

Start over. Define a clear role, and avoid "Necronizing" Imperial stuff.
I'd also get rid of the part about the "C'tanening". The C'tan are supposed to be extremely selfish and jealous--they're not giving away part of their power to some goon.

You really gonna let this guy tell you how to play a game?

Toastedandy wrote:You really gonna let this guy tell you how to play a game?

You really gonna let this guy write a bad unit, post it on Dakka and act like there's no room for criticism?

If he doesn't want it critiqued--he shouldn't post it online. If he wants to make a unit to play with his gaming group--then it should stay there and not be posted here. The idea behind Proposed Rules isn't "Oh I had this awesome idea for my gaming group's Annual Wackysilly Unit Game". It's "I have an idea for something that will be relatively balanced(both fluff and gameplay wise) and will fit in nicely with the core of 40k/Fantasy Battles, and I wanted to share it here with you guys so you can use it too!".

And by the by, since I forgot to say it earlier:
Necron aren't "Undead". You don't hit someone with a halberd and suddenly they come back as a Necron.
Necrons are more like Golems as they were presented in Dragon Age: Origins--they are a shell housing a consciousness.

I'll choose not to comment on the fluff, but I can hopefully provide some criticism game-wise:

Overall, I'd say he's FAR too overpriced, at the most he should be half that cost as far as I can tell. With 2 wounds, T4, 3+ with no invulnerable save, he's not particularly tough, even for a Necron and particularly for a 200pts character.
Necromantic seems like a nice rule, but may simply be better off as a RO, but then that could arguably take away some character.
Fury of the C'tan seems fairly balanced and a quite nice, characterful rule. Adds some difficulty pricing him however and it needs to be clarified how units such as master of the fleet/astropath affect it. It may also be better to simply have this as Str5/T5 for balance, but 6's aren't unreasonable.
Both his ranged weapons are weak IMHO; the bolter is worse than it's Space Marine version, whilst the phase cannon isn't particularly powerful, with Str5/AP6 rather underwhelming IMHO. I'd consider swapping the two stats around for this and possibly making it ROF3 rather than a blast weapon. that it's heavy too also cuts down quite significantly on its usage.
You'll want to clarify what a C'tan Phase Knife does IMHO; i.e. Warscythe or Inquisitor Wargear? I don't like the summoning aspect of it however; I don't believe things become Necrons in such a way or short space of time.

As he is, I'd think around the 70+pts mark would be reasonable, however you may want to add something like a 4++ (can't remember the wargear name) to him etc.

I'd also recommend cutting down on the slang/text talk as it's not popular here on Dakka - understandably.

Hope that helps.

I like it. At first, just looking at the stats thinking 2 wounds, initiative 2, and 2 attacks at 200 points; this guy is going to be very overpriced. But I think you have placed just right with the array of special abilities, maybe lower his cost a bit. This guy seems to be screaming special character to me rather than a typical unit. Anyway looks good to me.

I really like the notion that the guy is powering up during the game that is reflected by a reserve roll. I think it is a clever technique that works well with game play. I like the pose on the model.

Underpowered,overpriced,Initiave 2....fits right in with the Necrons.


Seriously,give him a 4++ or something.Maybe bump up the stats for the Phase cannon,and make the bolter gauss.Also make him relentless and make fury of the C'tan double his S,T,I and A or similar.

hmmm sorry guys i really wasnt in this for the fluff, just wanted something else to play with. Hmmm i like the relentless when he is raging. I dont know the fluff to much on the necrons bue @Deadshot put it quite nicely "Underpowered,overpriced,Initiave 2....fits right in with the Necrons." I just thought making them a unit that can add some long range and add some melee would be nice. If someone would like to kick my ass at fluff writing and try that out that would be awesome! And i did want to be critisized, lol thats why i put it on here to make it more balanced. hmm Im thinking even 100 points would be underpriced for the model because he can be a monster in cc if he gets his rage. Ill agree about the phase cannon tho, i was kinda scared to make it too powerful. Would making him relentless when he rages, and giving the cannon str9 ap4 be any better or way to powerful?


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oh and the bolter was not suppose to be good, I thought it would be a little pop shot provider. I honestly have no idea for the bolter tho, anyone have any proposed stats?


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oh and i liked how he could be a wiff. Ik if that reserve roll never comes in then he just.. sucks! lol thats the risk in it though, i liked that. Maybe adding two wounds and attacks when raging? hmmmmm


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also i will be play testing him and see what works and what does not.

Let him fire both guns. Have the bolter act like a co-axle weapon for a phase cannon. If the model hits with the bolter the phase cannon becomes twin linked when firing at the target that was struck by the bolter as it is using the bolt fire to guide its aim.

For raising necrons I would make the humble recommendation that instead of getting a pariah on a 6 make it another type of necron like an immortal, wraith, or even destroyer. Pariahs have an anti-soul, not likely something that can likely be bestowed in the course of a game turn.

I would play the champion as you have, but drop the price down to about 150.

ok this is what the playtest has given me and the locals had a few suggestions.
Cost:175
Str:5 T:5 without rage
with rage now gains a wound and an attack
one of my buds at the club is working on some fluff
and the bolter is gauss
also the relentless rule is added and he can fire both weps kinda like the termi can get his rockets on his back and fire both. also the stats of the cannon have been raised to str:9 ap:1 so that it can actually kill a land rader. still shoots 2 blasts. but sorry for the fluff murder lol but again i just wanted something that can bridge the gap between now and the new dex. thoughts now? and if anyone has any fluff ideas that would be awesome.


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very nice, i never thought of the anti soul... lets go immortal then. but also a fluff idea was that the scarabs that follow him around use the parts of the fallen to construct a new fighter. the soul is then drained from the target and forced into the makeshift body.