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Well I am new to the Eldar and i have been trying to figure out what to give everyone so far the basic list. Im trying to get 1500 points up for some league play with very little money so money does factor into this. The list as follows:

Autarch
- Jetbike
- Laser Lance
- Deathspinner
- Banshee mask

x10 Howling Banshees
Exarch with Triskele Acrobatics and War Shout

x4 Gurdian Jetbikes
- Warlock with Singing spear and Embolden
- x1 Shuriken Cannon

x4 Guardian Jetbikes
- Warlock with singing spear and embolden
- x1 Shuriken Cannon

x4 Guardian Jetbikes
- Warlock with Singing Spear and Embolden
- x1 Shuriken Cannon

5x Shining Spears
Exarch with Star Lance with Withdraw and Skilled Rider

Vyper Squadron
x2 Scatter Laser, Holo Fields, Spirit Stones, and Shuriken Cannons

Fire Prism
Holo-field, Spirit Stone

Points Spent so far 1494

Well thats the basic list right now and im not sure where i want to go after this but its a start any help would be appreciated. All i Know for now is i want to add some fire dragons to this.
Well help would be appreciated. And you will have my thanks 1000 times over.

I think you need to upgrade those Guardian Jetbike squads. I'd suggest giving 1 jetbike from each squad a Shuriken Cannon, and I'd give each squad a Warlock on Jetbike with Embolden. It will significantly help them from running off the board.

Im not sure if you ahve enough bodies on the table to survive. Have you test-played this yet? Im also not a fan of the vypers, their expensive and the points would be better spent elsewhere.

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Woh, 14 models at 850 points. Not recommended, but try it out! Playtest it and let us know how it goes. It's hard to say how this will go since no one really attempts an off-the-wall kind of list like this, but chances are it won't go well.
I would change the bright lances to scatter lasers. Two BS3 bright lances don't come across as very attractive. The lasers will give you 8 shots, even if only at str6. PLus they're cheaper.
Try adding some fire dragons in a serpent.

well when i get a game ill play test it and see how it goes.
Grakmar again money is a factor and i have about my limit this list will be a running project that im starting next month. I did think about adding scatter lasers instead of bright lances i talked to a buddy of mine he said sounded good just a lil small and alot of antitank floating about. Well like i said this list if supposed to be for league play its starts at 500 and goes up every two weeks plus 50 points if you lose, but i really need a break from all the space marines i have.

The thought behind this list is i want to be shooty and very mobile the shining spears are there for withdraw and to be sort of assaulty and fast with their ability withdraw the Aurtarch rides around with them the Guardians well they are there to hang back and make captures while taking pot shots at random units and hopefully not get shot to pieces or assaulted cuase there is so few of them. and the Vypers with scatter lasers are there to deal with groups of infantry and the like and to harass the enemy while they try to close in on me if i can survive till then i think i would do all right.

A Saim Hann army is vulnerable to small-arms fire making it eventually less effective at the battle field. There are easier Eldar lists to pull off at this pt level.

I know its a small army and it doesnt seem very competitive but it looks fun, im only semi competitive at best so i think it would be a fun army to play.

Fun or frustrating

How many points are the Autarch and the shining spears combined?

oh yea still have roughly 150 points left so any thoughts on how to spend em to get me up to where i need to be?


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370 for the lot

Ok, so 370... 132 for the GJB... then vypers are around 130 points i'm guessing. That's only at 632 points.

well i traded the vypers for some howling banshees in a wave serpent i think thats a better trade off


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list update see what you think Coldfire

Yeah most definitely a better deal.

Another idea would be to drop the Autarch + Spears combo, drop a jetbike from the five man squad, and take your remaining points (454 I think) and put those towards a jetseer council. It fits your theme and the council is going to be a lot more resilient than the spears. Plus it gives you the opportunity to drop in the almighty Runes of Warding.

Ok. The key to playing well with Eldar at low points is to get as much bang for your buck as possible. Jetbikes are great. I use a squad in all of my low point games, and they seldom let me down. The reason is because kitted out right, they provide a lot of small arms fire power, some decent anti tank, and don't need to buy a Serpent for mobility.

In larger games, yes, embolden is the only power you should be taking on GJB. This is because re-rolling ld:8 is crucial for keeping small scoring units on the board. However. When we start looking at games below 1250 points, you may want to seriously consider destructor. In these smaller games, the bikes can often use their speed to avoid conflict with enemy formations until they get their pounce, and the added oomph from destructor can really help punish the enemy.

Don't run jetbike squads larger than 3 + a warlock, or 6 + a warlock. You want as much bang for your buck as possible, and if you aren't getting another cannon, there is absolutely no point to adding another biker.

Shining Spears. Don't do this. You are shooting yourself in the foot big time. They have problems like none other. Hugely expensive, no more durability than a space marine combat squad, and utterly worthless if they don't get the charge. Don't forget that their charge range is only 18 inches. Can anybody say rapid fire range?

In a Saim Hann style army, you want your close combat support to come from a jetseer council. Backed up with fortune, they are far more durable, and because of the way witchblades work- are not completely dependant on getting a charge. This means that they can be used more defensively as well, blocking off movement lanes to your more fragile GJB. Overall a jetseer council is almost always a more tactically sound option.

Pathfinders are no good, you will always be better off with more GJB.

I concur with everything akaean said, but I was trying to sweet talk you out of the spears and into the jetseer council instead of being harsh

I don't have any experience with GBJ squads with warlocks - I've always used them in squads of 3 with no warlock and they've always done me quite well. 66 points is a beastly steal for a scoring unit like that. Still can't go wrong with a warlock with embolden though.
I also agree that more GBJ would do you better than the pathfinders, but that can come down to preference.

Back to the council though: Fortuned jetbikes (or invulnerable saves), Runes of Warding, Doom, couple of singing spears (str. 9), witchblades wounding on 2+ in CC, str. 9 against vehicles in CC, Destructors, Enhance--these guys are beasts and will pretty much tear anything up at the 1k point level. Expensive unit, but if you're willing to run Shining Spears then the jetseer council is a godsend.

Harsh or not i want the feedback good or ill. Well the coucil sounds good should i take a farseer with the council instead of the autarch? i was thinking late game pie plates with swooping hawks with skyleap when i build up to that point level. Fluff wise i think shining spears are awesome, cuase there are som many bike units that get over looked. your right about the rapid fire range (damn tau). Run an update see how it looks, i Know i want doom if i take a farseer. the pathfinders were a point sink and another scoring unit to camp on my objective but i think i would run a third bike squad for the points. I am starting the Build next month and im trying to get this done for league action. Thats why im trying to figure out what power to give the warlocks like akaean said trying to get the most bang for my buck

If you take the jetseer council, then yes, you must take a farseer, not only because you need him to get the warlocks but because you'll need him to roll with the warlocks in order to cast fortune to get the re-rollable saves. I think a typical jetseer council is something like:

Farseer, ROWarding, Spirit Stones, Fortune, Doom, bike
X x Warlocks with embolden, enhance, rest with destructors, bikes, a couple of spears to taste

You don't need runes of witnessing because embolden lets you re-roll any failed leadership tests, which includes the farseer's psychic powers. *high five*
I prefer to take two embolden warlocks just in case one gets sniped or something, 1 enhance warlock, and give the rest destructors.

so run a warlock council of four or more?

I would say run at least 6 warlocks + the farseer, but if you can fit a couple more locks, then go for it. You want them to be able to mop the floor with anything they touch so that they don't get tarpitted by some lame unit, so the more punch they pack the more likely you can achieve this. Preferably you want them to assault, destroy, consolidate, rinse & repeat each turn.

so what should i look like at 500 points then?



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is mindwar a good farseer ability?

I'm at work without my codex right now, so I can't give exact point costs, but I think it will be something like:
Farseer, ROWarding, Spirit Stones, Fortune, Doom, bike - 150
6x warlocks at roughly 55 pts per with assorted powers - 330
Total - 480

Leaves room for Mind War if you want it. Mind War comes down to preference, but really what you want to be doing is dooming everything you assault, so that doesn't leave room for the farseer to cast Mind War.

thats good to know, plus add the jet bikers and the banshees i think its a little over 1000. But at the 500 point level for the league im entering i do not think a seer council will be done, thats why i started with the autarch. I like the farseer so i will add that.

A jetcouncil at the 1000 Pt Level is Overkill.

wuestenfux wrote:A jetcouncil at the 1000 Pt Level is Overkill.

You would go with the Autarch + 5 Shining Spears @ 370 points then?

maybe a jet council of three to start with and work my way up.

alabamaheretic wrote:maybe a jet council of three to start with and work my way up.

Its all or nothing. A small unit gets shot to pieces by small arms fire.

hmmm looks like like im going to have to invest in the seer council at 1500 points then cuase there is no possible way to field them at low point levels.

Ahem... Not to disctract you guys from discussing the finer points of Eldar list building , but how about we see some PICTURES Seriously, how's the building going? Is this a theoretical Eldar army thus far?

Cheers,
Rawson

P.S. I think you'd be better off with Marines...

Rawson wrote:
P.S. I think you'd be better off with Marines...

Depends. Mech Eldar are actually quite good vs. horde armies and Tau. Against BA, SW and IG (and probably GK) it can be an uphill battle.

wuestenfux wrote:

Rawson wrote:
P.S. I think you'd be better off with Marines...

Depends. Mech Eldar are actually quite good vs. horde armies and Tau. Against BA, SW and IG (and probably GK) it can be an uphill battle.

It was really more of a friendly jab at our power armor crazed friend, 'Bama, than a tactical analysis. I know, I know. I should be more supportive of someone trying to break an addiction.