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Anyone else watching?

here the live stream:
http://www.dota2.com/tournaments/international/

Watched part of a match, i got bored though.

Not knowing the champions and who does what makes it pretty bleh to watch.

LoL still looks like a better game then this sadly :/

How can you not know? They are exact copies of the Dota heroes.

Spyder68 wrote:Watched part of a match, i got bored though.

Pretty much this for me.

I'm just waiting.

I saw the map being the EXACT same as Summoners Rift from LoL, and even Ashe the Frost Archer from the trailer. Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

Slarg232 wrote:I'm just waiting.

I saw the map being the EXACT same as Summoners Rift from LoL, and even Ashe the Frost Archer from the trailer. Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

Keep in mind everything came first in DOTA.

For those who are unaware, here is the current roster of heroes
http://www.dota-two.com/img/articles/dota2-hero-icons.jpg
http://www.playdota.com/heroes And here are the heroes to look up abilities if you are unfamiliar with them.


I'm getting pretty excited, can't wait for this.

Slarg232 wrote:Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

and Dbags like you is why dota will(should) not be legitimately successful, if you dont help your new players out, you dont get any new players and the vets eventually move on.

If the name value of DOTA does not carry the games sales it will be pretty bad.

Sasori wrote:Keep in mind everything came first in DOTA.

Nooooo? It simply took concepts from other games and combined them in a way that many people found palatable.

Grundz wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

and Dbags like you is why dota will(should) not be legitimately successful, if you dont help your new players out, you dont get any new players and the vets eventually move on.

If the name value of DOTA does not carry the games sales it will be pretty bad.

There is nothing I can do when someone is playing as Mordekaiser, walks forward, gets flanked by Poppy and pushed into their turret, shot down by Vayne, dies, respawns, walks forward, gets flanked by Poppy, pushed into their turret, shot down by Vayne, dies, respawns, walks forward, gets flanked by Poppy......

Or what about those who think the game is based solely on kills? I have three turrets down myself, the other team has 10+ kills on us, but OH NOES! THEY HAVE MORE KILLS, BY COD RULES, THEY MUST BE WINNING!

There is a difference between being new to a game and needing help, and just being a god damn idiot. But thank you for Assuming

Slarg232 wrote:

Grundz wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

and Dbags like you is why dota will(should) not be legitimately successful, if you dont help your new players out, you dont get any new players and the vets eventually move on.

If the name value of DOTA does not carry the games sales it will be pretty bad.

There is nothing I can do when someone is playing as Mordekaiser, walks forward, gets flanked by Poppy and pushed into their turret, shot down by Vayne, dies, respawns, walks forward, gets flanked by Poppy, pushed into their turret, shot down by Vayne, dies, respawns, walks forward, gets flanked by Poppy......

Or what about those who think the game is based solely on kills? I have three turrets down myself, the other team has 10+ kills on us, but OH NOES! THEY HAVE MORE KILLS, BY COD RULES, THEY MUST BE WINNING!

There is a difference between being new to a game and needing help, and just being a god damn idiot. But thank you for Assuming

In DOTA the team that has the most kills 90% of the time will be the one winning. Remember, that DOTA has a significantly higher skill cap than LoL.

In other news, Na'Vi just smashed iG in a great show of team play. Go Na'Vi! Go!

Grundz wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

and Dbags like you is why dota will(should) not be legitimately successful, if you dont help your new players out, you dont get any new players and the vets eventually move on.

If the name value of DOTA does not carry the games sales it will be pretty bad.

Have to agree with Slarg here, I've seen plenty of players on Garena, with quite high levels, who are still absolute garbage and pretty much just ruin most games they are in.

Also grundz, could you please refrain from using personal insults so much? I've seen you using offensive langauge in quite a lot of threads and frankly it's uncalled for on this forum.

I hope they keep the high level rooms system though, or a proper matchmaking option. That works.

Soladrin wrote:

Also grundz, could you please refrain from using personal insults so much? I've seen you using offensive langauge in quite a lot of threads and frankly it's uncalled for on this forum.

no

Then please go read to forum rules again mate.

"that stupid game." I was actually kind of wondering if people still played that.

$1,000,000 for first place.

Looks cool.

Anyone saying "LOL LOOKS BETTER" or "THEY'RE JUST COPYING OFF LOL", are completely wrong.

You wouldn't even have League of Legends or Heroes of Newerth without DotA, so remember that. DotA didn't copy ANYTHING off of LoL, its the other way around.

I completely agree with the "keep the F2P idiots out of the game" too. I have found waaaay too many bad players in LoL, that I simply don't want to play it anymore, even in Ranked.

I'm just waiting.

I saw the map being the EXACT same as Summoners Rift from LoL, and even Ashe the Frost Archer from the trailer. Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

Well, yeah, because Summoners Rift is LoL's version the DotA map.

That Archer is the Drow Ranger, which also came first in the Original WC3, not even in DotA. They are largely different heroes, Ashe and Drow.

Its not exactly confirmed that it will be P2P and not F2P. Its been hinted, and is definitely the most likely, but not confirmed.

DotA 2 is looking absolutely amazing for being in an ALPHA STAGE. Keep that in mind..go take a look at what LoL looked like in beta, and compare it to this.

LoL will coexist with DotA because its F2P and largely different from DotA, but I don't think there is much chance for HON.

Karon wrote:DotA 2 is looking absolutely amazing

Nnnoooo? It looks like a decade old graphics and gameplay to me.

Melissia wrote:

Karon wrote:DotA 2 is looking absolutely amazing

Nnnoooo? It looks like a decade old graphics and gameplay to me.

The gameplay doesn't need to be changed if it works - don't change what ain't broken.

The graphics can't be BF3 quality, Mellisia. They wanted to make it so it can scale well with high-end computers, but to target their lower market as well (Hint: China, where their largest playerbase is)

The stream is also going on pretty low settings as well. There have been screenshots posted of the tournament players screens and they look much more refined.

Karon wrote:The graphics can't be BF3 quality

I was actually thinking of modern RTS games, not FPS games.

Hell, games were released in the nineties which looked better than this.

Because modern graphics are the only way for a game to be fun or successful

I don't understand the graphic complaints at all. It looks much better than League of Legends and Heroes of Newerth in my eyes. HON is all gloomy and dark but with a lot of bloom. LoL is bright and happy with color EVERYWHERE, its just not really to my tastes.

DotA 2 seems to strike a balance between that VERY well, in that one side of the map is very...DIRE looking and foreboding, while one side is a contrast with lots of RADIANT colors.

To each their own, but that's how I see it.

Comparing DotA 2 to Dawn of War 2 is faulty, Mellisia (which is what I assume you been by modern RTS game)

Melissia wrote:Hell, games were released in the nineties which looked better than this.

Please stop making up things ~~

IMO it looks really smooth and good. And graphics isn't really an issue for this game anyway, since it's entire playerbase will just be transported from a game that came out in 2002. So I hardly think that's the big issue here.

One other thing this game also promises is a constant stream of new heroes and general outstanding update quality. I haven't seen any game with this much ingame content being released so frequently (hats don't count ) that actually effect the game this drastically while keeping everything perfectly balanced. (A new hero or item can shift a lot of strategies).

I'm absolutely loving all the new hero models because I can still identify each and everyone of them yet they are all subtly different.

Soladrin wrote:Please stop making up things ~~

I'm not. You said it "looked amazing", and I disputed that.

I don't think it "looks amazing" at all.

I think he just wants a list of the RTS games which look better and were made in the 90s.

Sasori wrote:
In DOTA the team that has the most kills 90% of the time will be the one winning. Remember, that DOTA has a significantly higher skill cap than LoL.

Oh I know, but DOTA isn't LoL, so we don't have to bring it into that discussion

I personally look forward to actually worrying about kills, but as of right now, they are a means to an end, not the end itself.

Karon wrote:Anyone saying "LOL LOOKS BETTER" or "THEY'RE JUST COPYING OFF LOL", are completely wrong.

You wouldn't even have League of Legends or Heroes of Newerth without DotA, so remember that. DotA didn't copy ANYTHING off of LoL, its the other way around.

I completely agree with the "keep the F2P idiots out of the game" too. I have found waaaay too many bad players in LoL, that I simply don't want to play it anymore, even in Ranked.

I'm just waiting.

I saw the map being the EXACT same as Summoners Rift from LoL, and even Ashe the Frost Archer from the trailer. Having said that, having to pay for it is nice; it keeps all the F2P dipsticks out of the game....

Well, yeah, because Summoners Rift is LoL's version the DotA map.

That Archer is the Drow Ranger, which also came first in the Original WC3, not even in DotA. They are largely different heroes, Ashe and Drow.

Its not exactly confirmed that it will be P2P and not F2P. Its been hinted, and is definitely the most likely, but not confirmed.

DotA 2 is looking absolutely amazing for being in an ALPHA STAGE. Keep that in mind..go take a look at what LoL looked like in beta, and compare it to this.

LoL will coexist with DotA because its F2P and largely different from DotA, but I don't think there is much chance for HON.

I think the map being the same isn't necessarily a bad thing; it's not broken, don't fix it.

But you have to admit, having a Frost Archer Hero is kind of similar, ESPECIALLY if the Frost Archer was in WC3 and not even in the original DOTA. Not saying it's a bad thing, but still.

Melissia wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Please stop making up things ~~

I'm not. You said it "looked amazing", and I disputed that.

I don't think it "looks amazing" at all.

The idea is to make the game available to as wide of an audience as possible, meaning low system requirements and bad graphics, in a game whose community is based almost entirely on exclusion.

Melissia wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Please stop making up things ~~

I'm not. You said it "looked amazing", and I disputed that.

I don't think it "looks amazing" at all.

Have you watched any of the Videos on 1080P?

The game does not look like it has Graphics from the nineties, and it's silly for you to make massive exaggerations like that. The game has a unique style, and while it may not have Crysis 2 graphics, they are still excellent looking.

I disagree. I think it looks ugly. Maybe it's stylistically ugly. But still.

I wasn't exaggerating, either.

I personally don't play LoL because honestly the graphics could be better. So I play WoW instead, because it is so 1995.

Melissia wrote:I wasn't exaggerating, either.

The games then? RTS if it's to be a fair comparison. I'd actually like to know, as most good RTS were made in that time, and I'd like to own the good looking ones too.