Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Evening all, this post is likely to be a massive wall of text for some so sorry in advance!

I've been collecting and painting a Black Legion army since i started a year ago in 2010, i've played a few friendly games against a friend of mine but want to start venturing out into the big wide world and play against more local people. So my issue is thus... I have 5769 points worth of Black Legion and i need to come up with two 1500 point armies, a All comers list for taking away and a list to specificly take on my friends Space wolf army which i've only won against the once (he's been playing since 40k was born i've been playing for a year so he also has an advantage there!). You're probably wondering why i have so much! Basically i went a little mad with buying e-bayed models to start with then moved onto buy anything that looked cool basically, so yes a slight case of disposible income gone wrong! (or right depending on how you look at it!)

The models i've got are a combo of cheap bargains i got from ebay so they obviously already came pre assembled with wargear, some models i've brought and some i've converted myself. I'll list the models i've got and the current wargear they all have, so what i need is you more experienced Chaos players to pick from the list and to suggest some alternatives to buy to add to the list or wargear to add or remove.

HQ's
Chaos Sorcerer 180
Mark of Tzeentch
Bolt of Change
Gift of Chaos

Chaos Sorcerer 175
Terminator armour
Familiar
Mark of slaanesh
Lash
Wind of Chaos

Korne Chaos Lord 140
Mark of Khorne
Daemon Weapon Bloodfeeder

Slaanesh Chaos Lord 135
Mark of Slaanesh
Blissgiver

Abaddon The Despoiler 275

Demon Prince 140
Mark of Korne
Wings

Elites
Dreadnought 105
Plasma Cannon

Dreadnought Ozzy 130
Twin linked Lascannon
Heavy Flamer

Dreadnought 120
Multimelta
Flamer
Extra armour

Terminator squad 200
Autocannon
Lightning claws
Combi Flamer
Combi Melta
Combi Melta
Chainfist

Troops
Chaos Space Marines Squad Death Punch x10 255
Aspiring Champion
Power Fist
Plasma Pistol
melta bombs
Flamer
Heavy Bolter
Mark of Khorne

Chaos Space Marines Squad Anthrax x10 270
Aspiring Champion
Power weapon
Plasma Pistol
plasma gun
Autocannon
Mark of nurgle

Khorne Berzerkers x10 240
Power weapon
Plasma Pistol

Khorne Berzerkers x10 235
Power Fist

Plague Marines Squad 176
Meltagun
Flamer

Noise marines x8 235
Noise champ
Blastermaster
Doom siren
Sonic blaster

Noise marines x8 235
Noise champ
Blastermaster
Doom siren
Sonic blaster

Thousand sons 269
Aspiring Sorcerer
Bolt of Change

Transports

Khorne Rhino 50
Havoc Launcher

Rhino 50
Havoc Launcher

Emperors Children Rhino 40
Combi Flamer

Fast Attack

Chaos Bike Squad 139
Melta gun
Mark of Khorne

Heavy Support

Chaos Lander Raider 225

Chaos Predator 135
Lascannon Sponsons
Dirge Caster


Havoc Squad x6 200
2x Missile Launcher
2x Lascannon


Havoc Squad x6 160
x2Heavy Bolter
x2 Autocannon


Vindicator 155
Daemonic possession
Combi weapon

Vindicator 160
Daemonic possession
Havoc Launcher

Defiler 150

Shadowsword “Abaddon's Fist” 450

Obliterator 75
Obliterator 75
Obliterator 75
Obliterator 75
Obliterator 75

Demons

Blood Thirster 100
Blood Letters 113

Wow, that is a lot of stuff. With all of the stuff that you have I'm sure that there'll be at least 2 1,500 point lists in there.

Just a couple of questions to make it easier to help. Firstly, can you use the same units in both lists. For example, lets say, you wanted to include a Bloodthirster in both lists, are you allowed to do that or do the lists have to be made up of different models?

Secondly, I know you've only played the Space Wolf player once but can you remember any of the things that he/she includes in his/her list, as this information would make it much easier for us to help you to build a list to counter it.

Thanks.

Sorry yes i completely forgot i should have mentioned what he plays with!

From memory he tends to only have one squad of long fangs that he usually plonks in a building from the start of the game. He tends to run with 2/3 squads of the SW tactical marines with that annoying trickster charecter that is good for taking out my HQ's, a rune priest, squads of termies and believe one of them is a charecter, sorry the name escapes me. He sometimes uses a vindicator or a rhino as well. It's mainly the charcters i find issues with as they all seem far more powerful than anything i can muster, unless i'm playing them wrong! Abby is currently banished as he keeps making me roll 1's!

He also uses that infernal achilies landraider from Forgeworld which causes me no end of trouble due to it negating some of the melta rules and most of the time my lascannons bounce off it.

As to the lists, yes both lists can use any of the models i have, it's just so i know what to grab off the shelf when i go to play him, or someone else. Or obviously include any more models you might think i'll need to get.

Well, for me it was the reverse situation. As an experienced EC player I battled a friend with his SW starting 40k in 2009.
I'd field 2 winged lash DPs (I know you don't have them), 6 Obiterators, Noise Marines (with doom siren, power weapon) and PM (with meltas) in Rhinos.

I've read about the winged lash DP's, i take it the tactic there is to lash things into range of the oblits using i'm guessing their plasma Cannons for the pie plates?

With one of my noise marine squads i'm aiming to upgrade all their bolters into sonic blasters is this worth the points? As they are screaming around in a rhino my theory was if the rhino gets popped then you have a pretty hard hitting noise marine squad to deal with.

Also a little help with the rules as well, if a unit with a heavy weapon, say the noise marine with a blast master, is mounted in a rhino can he fire out of a weapon slot even if the rhino moved? I know they can't fire if they moved that turn, but wasn't sure if that rule applied if they are mounted in a transport.

I've read about the winged lash DP's, i take it the tactic there is to lash things into range of the oblits using i'm guessing their plasma Cannons for the pie plates?

In fact, this is one option. For this, I'm move the Rhinos forward (launching smoke) withe the DPs slightly behind so that they get a cover save which is better than their inv. save.

With one of my noise marine squads i'm aiming to upgrade all their bolters into sonic blasters is this worth the points? As they are screaming around in a rhino my theory was if the rhino gets popped then you have a pretty hard hitting noise marine squad to deal with.

Well, my NM are mounted into Rhinos, a squad of 6 to 8 Marines with doom siren and power weapon. The doom siren is one of the best shooting weapons in the game and can be used (as the plasma cannons) after misleading a Marine unit (lash).

Also a little help with the rules as well, if a unit with a heavy weapon, say the noise marine with a blast master, is mounted in a rhino can he fire out of a weapon slot even if the rhino moved? I know they can't fire if they moved that turn, but wasn't sure if that rule applied if they are mounted in a transport.

Well, the unit can fire out of the top hatch if the Rhino has moved not more than 6''. But in order to fire a heavy weapon, the Rhino must have been stationary.

Smoke! i keep forgetting about popping smoke, that seems like a pretty damn good tactic to get the DP's in place to start lashing. Excellent, thanks for the tips, advice and rule clarification!