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Right, I've just started a Chaos Space Marine army. I want to get either a Land Raider or Defiler next, what do you guys think?

Here is my current army (not going to post the points as I haven't counted them all up yet):

HQ - Terminator Lord with Combi-Melta and power axe

Elites - Terminator Squad
- Reaper Autocannon + Power Fist
- Dual Lightning Claws
- Combi-Melta and Chainfist
- Combi-Flamer and Thunder Hammer (or whatever it's called, I get confused)
- Twin-Linked bolter and Power Axe

Troops - 10 Man Chaos Space Marine Squad
- 4 with Bolters
- 1 Icon Bearer
- 1 Aspiring Champion
- 2 with Bolt Pistol + CCW
- 1 with H.Bolter
- 1 with Plasma Gun

Troops - 10 Man Chaos Space Marine Squad
- 4 with Bolters
- 1 Icon Bearer
- 1 Aspiring Champion
- 2 with Bolt Pistol + CCW
- 1 with H.Bolter
- 1 with Plasma Gun

Troops - 10 Man Chaos Space Marine Squad
- 2 with Bolters
- 1 Icon Bearer
- 1 Aspiring Champion
- 4 with Bolt Pistol + CCW
- 1 with Flamer
- 1 with Meltagun

- Rhino with Havoc Missile Launcher

Troops - 10 Man Chaos Space Marine Squad
- 2 with Bolters
- 1 Icon Bearer
- 1 Aspiring Champion
- 4 with Bolt Pistol + CCW
- 1 with Flamer
- 1 with Meltagun

Land Raider. You're gonna need something to tote those Termies around.

That's what I was thinking, but I think the Defiler could provide some intense firepower with the battle cannon

I agree with Coo, The Land Raider carts the terminators around, and has some decent firepower.

Hmm, well maybe the Land Raider then. I do have a Vindicator for my Black Templars army that I don't really use much - I could convert that to a Chaos Vindicator aswell.

The vindicators have all the damage output of the defiler.

Take daemonic possession for those pesky shaken/stunned results.

Not sure but i think there is a big range difference between the two.



Edit- i didnt want to look dumb so i looked and found this for ya -http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24393

Well, I'd take a LR. It provides a delivering system for the Termies unless they deep strike, and they can be used to transport a scoring unit. In competitive lists, one often finds a 5 men CSM unit protected by an LR.

Btw, can a Chaos Terminator use a Thunder Hammer?

Always a LR.Second toughest vehicle outside of Apoc.The fire power to match,though not as much as a loyalist one.

LR. The terminators want a ride, and the lascannons will help give more antitank. The list of models given will certainly make a nice start to an army, but many of the weapon loadouts are inefficient and not very competitive. To get competitive you'll want to study army lists online (particularly those of successful players; check out the Battle Reports form to find some of those and see tournament reports from good players) and play a lot of games.

Alkasyn wrote:Btw, can a Chaos Terminator use a Thunder Hammer?

No; he's just not familiar with the codex and is clearly just posting what the models kind of look like they are equipped with. The terminator box comes with power fists, chain fists, power sword, power axe and power maul, the latter three of which are just power weapons rules-wise.

Well the Land Raider makes a great transport and tank hunter, while the Defiler is pretty good all around since you can equip it to go after tanks, infantry, or both. It depends on what you need.

Well, both are far from stellar but the Landraider is imo better. The Defiler might look good on paper but it is huge and thinly armoured for it's size. Combined with the low WS, BS and I it is imo a bad choice.
Still, no matter what you take, buy a second or the Landraider / Defiler will simply act as an easily disable bullet magnet.

I would say land raider. yes its a GIANT bullet magnet but a defiler in my eyes is too easy to kill in 5th edition. I play black templars......I love my land raiders, so my opinion might be swayed a little

Thanks for the replies everyone, I'm going to get a land raider next