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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 14:08:48
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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I cant think of one. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
What can orks take to bring down 6 vendettas filled with men while still being able to compete against other armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 14:38:23
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Lots and lots of fast moving orks.Surround the base of the Vendetta,use the hidden claw to destro it,and because the guys can't get out,they are lost.SAG would also be good,especially if you roll a 12 for str.Good bye to the whole group.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 14:53:17
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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You can't count on hitting fast moving vehicles in CC, or for that matter(catching them)
Lootas IMO are your best bet, however that said. 6 Vendettas aren't that scary to orks 3xTwinlinked Lascannons times 6 ... meh not too scary
Scary to me would be the valks with rocket pods
Lootas, some rokkits, stuff of the sort and a bit of luck
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 14:54:45
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Lootas, lootas, and more lootas! 15-45 shots per unit per turn will turn valks into scrap metal. After that you can sweep them up with fast elements, like bikers, koptas, or trukkboyz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 15:11:51
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Lootaz and buggies are probably best at shooting down huge AV12 skimmers. However, if you catch them with boyz, their many attacks are going to wreck the entire squad.
In addition, add rokkits to your boyz squads and maybe even nobz, a single lucky shot is enough to bring them down.
The only reason for that kind of setup being strong at all is probably the missing reach of orks and the reliance on Kanz/BW which are both easily killed by that many vendettas. However, buggies, lootaz and maybe koptaz should turn the game to your favor. You don't even need big units of 15 lootaz, 3 units of 5 should be enough.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 15:53:51
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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From what I am reading,it seems like people are trying to tailor the list for taking down the Vendettas.The Op still wants to be able to take on other lists and armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 15:59:30
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Deadshot wrote:From what I am reading,it seems like people are trying to tailor the list for taking down the Vendettas.The Op still wants to be able to take on other lists and armies.
Lootas are a great thing for any Ork army to take and fit nicely in a take all comers style list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 16:09:56
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Lord of the Fleet
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augustus5 wrote:Deadshot wrote:From what I am reading,it seems like people are trying to tailor the list for taking down the Vendettas.The Op still wants to be able to take on other lists and armies.
Lootas are a great thing for any Ork army to take and fit nicely in a take all comers style list.
Agreed, lootas are literally your best elite unit with the exception of nobz. They're the ork autocannon which has enough shots to tear apart infantry and good enough strength to shut down mech and MC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 16:48:03
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Fair enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 17:20:41
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Same for buggies really. And it's not like there is nothing else in the game that has AV12 and needs to die quickly.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 19:07:36
Subject: Re:Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Freaky Flayed One
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Also, pretty sure the OP just asked how to take down a specific list. Nobody said anything about not tailoring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/21 19:25:11
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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A full unit of shootas with a KFF o Automatically Appended Next Post: A full unit of shootas with a KFF in reach will let you pour withering amounts of fire at anything without having to worry too badly about being shot back at. Strong enough to kill anything but a land raider but enough fire to shred infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 00:03:06
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Lootas. Yup.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 01:44:46
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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with the new FAQ you can also Def rolla the the base. If you dont get past its dodge roll you shoot it with lootas and then still attack it with a boarding plank without getting out (you could also get out and surround the base and attack it, if your kff is in that wagon you can leave him inside and still plank it). Thats three (posibly 4) chances in three different phases wich gives you opptions deppending on with one works. All these tactics work well with other armys also.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 08:40:40
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Though, against guard, there are usually better targets to deffrolla that can't dodge.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 12:34:16
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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kanonz work pretty well and are cheap s a backup for lootas. if i have any extra points in a list i always try to buy some
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 16:09:56
Subject: Re:Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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More Boyz and Lootas.
You will be surprised at how many problems this solves. it may seem vague and simplistic, but its the truth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 20:23:11
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Orks hacve the simplest tacitcs and fix'ems in 40k.
"If at first you don't succeed,keep hitting.If it refuses to stay down.Hit it harder.If it won't stay down,keep hitting till it does."
Another
"If problems arise,get more modals on the table."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 20:25:48
Subject: Re:Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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Has anyone mentioned Lootas yet. . . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/25 20:28:58
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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No,don't think so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 00:11:16
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Looyas are not just for skimmers. They're inda like Ork Devs to me. Heavy shooty weapons with lots of dakka and range. You can use them on skimmers, transports, light vehicles... Oh, and... Belexar wrote:If violence doesn't solve your problems, you're obviously not an ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 01:09:31
Subject: Re:Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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The IG Air Cav list is all about fail. While it's a kool looking army on the table. No self-respecting Ork boss should worry about it. Lootas make IG players cry when their pretty flying machines nose dive into the ground.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 08:00:10
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Or BA and GK.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 08:09:29
Subject: Re:Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Grovelin' Grot Rigger
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puma713 wrote:Has anyone mentioned Lootas yet. . . .
Lootas.... that IS a good idea
Seems Dakka Dakka is of one mind here, Main joy of Lootas over Ramming/Rokkit Buggies/Deff Koptas is the 48" range rather then 24". If you want to have a mixed list that isn't tailored for anything but able to deal with most things then Lootas/Buggies/Koptas are you best anti tank at range, and odds are you'll want Lootas + one of the others. I like smaller squads of looters so you have different arks of fire and can get on the sides of Russ' tanks, granted I rarely pop them at range but "Can't shoot next turn" is an awesome effect if there is a few trukks worth of boys rushing forwards.
SAG can do it but odds are rather low just because it's so random. Kanz also have a good chance to pop things tho while they are better BS they aren't twin Linked and a lot slower then buggies or Koptas.
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In the words of Archimedes, "Give me a long enough lever and a place to rest it... Or I will kill one hostage every hour!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 08:29:33
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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I have a friend that always rolls double 6 for his SAG.Basically,he charges towards the nearest superheavy and obliterates it,because the rules for SAG don't omit Superheavies,unlike Vortex Missiles/Grenades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 09:25:53
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Grovelin' Grot Rigger
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Deadshot wrote:I have a friend that always rolls double 6 for his SAG.Basically,he charges towards the nearest superheavy and obliterates it,because the rules for SAG don't omit Superheavies,unlike Vortex Missiles/Grenades.
"6,6 Raargh!: The tunnel opens a hole into the warp itself, and a ravening cloud of sentient daemonic ichor gushes out into the material realm. Any model hit by the gun this turn is removed from play. Vehicles take an automatic penetration hit."
Ok so you could suck a MC or something since it says nothing about the big ins but Super Heavy Tanks are Vehicles.... so one pen hit. Vortex Missile removes everything (inc tanks) and does D3 structure points on Superheavy's
But anyway the SAG is great fun just reading out the randomness of it in a silly Orky voice
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In the words of Archimedes, "Give me a long enough lever and a place to rest it... Or I will kill one hostage every hour!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 10:12:29
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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You guy might want to check the FAQ. The SAG works just like a vortex grenade, it just adds an additional penetrating hit.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 21:29:32
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Grovelin' Grot Rigger
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Ah well didn't spot that one but then only just played my first game of Apoc last week
Good to know tho.
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In the words of Archimedes, "Give me a long enough lever and a place to rest it... Or I will kill one hostage every hour!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 22:02:10
Subject: Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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So the answer when brought down to its most simple and most orky is NEEDS MORE DAKKA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/26 22:32:30
Subject: Re:Ork Counter To Air Cav Vendetta Spam
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Fixture of Dakka
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The first solution to any Ork army problem is "you need more Boyz".
If that's not the answer, it's "you need more Lootas".
There's no step after that. Those two rules let Orks beat anything.
This isn't simply some ork-wise joke either, that really is all there needs to be to winning with orks.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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