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Guard player rolls up, shoots over necron warriors at the monolith behind them. Calls for the order that allows rerolls.

He can't hurt the monolith....but the flamer templates cover the necrons....does he get the rerolls?

Nothing stops you from targeting something you cannot hurt. What is the exact wording of the order however?

Sure, the weapons fire counts as twin-linked. That would include re-rolling wounds v. the other covered models. Just make sure he uses the shortest possible path for the template to hit the Monolith, no maximizing number of Warriors hit.

Homer

I agree with Homer

General Hobbs wrote:

Guard player rolls up, shoots over necron warriors at the monolith behind them. Calls for the order that allows rerolls.

He can't hurt the monolith....but the flamer templates cover the necrons....does he get the rerolls?

Why didn't he just target the warriors? Is there a part of the story we're missing??

Hmm let me re-think that...

Because the order says: Target a Monstrouscreatue or vehicule unit firing at the target count their weapon as twin-linked...

So he fired at the Monololith to use the order that gave it twin-linked, but the main intention was to have re-roll on the warrior since it would not actually break the monolith...

Thats a tough one... the rule is to help you bring down big things with small guardsmen... so firing at the target to get re-rolls on other unit it cheezy at best...

Id have to read the whole rules and think about it...


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The exact wording is this:

Choose one enemy vehicule (or squadrons of) or monstrous creature (or squadron of) visible to the officer. The nominated unit immidiately fire at the nominated target counting their weapon as twin-linked...


So as I said.. i dont see how we can make this illegal.. but it is cheezy and it is IMO abbusing the rule.

warboss wrote:Why didn't he just target the warriors? Is there a part of the story we're missing??

Because the order in question, "Bring it Down!" is only usable if the target is a Vehicle, Monstrous Creature, or unit of Monstrous Creatures.

That said, the wording of the order supports this scenario. The Order says that the unit "immediately fires at the target, counting their weapons as twin linked." Thus the weapons count as twin-linked for all purposes, even collateral damage in the case of template or blast weapons.

After seeing the exact wording I agree with LazyPete. I want to say it shouldn't work but RAW it looks like it will. Again, its kind of a WAAC thing to do.

General Hobbs wrote:Guard player rolls up, shoots over necron warriors at the monolith behind them. Calls for the order that allows rerolls.
He can't hurt the monolith....but the flamer templates cover the necrons....does he get the rerolls?

Was he covering as much of the monolith as possible? If not, illegal placement of the template.

The order is call "Bring it Down" if I'm not mistaken.

It gives the weapons in a squad firing at a monstrous creature or vehicle twinlinked. Since the flamer template rerolls wounds with twinlinked it would be legal for him to do. And since you are firing the template at a single model it just has to touch the model, doesn't even have to cover the closest edge so he can lay it however he wants.

Very easy to only cover a small amount of the monlith with just hte end of the flamer, however

@ Scott - I think it just says as many models as possible do you have a pg number / quote for that particular rule as I don't have a book infront of me

Scott-S6 wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:Guard player rolls up, shoots over necron warriors at the monolith behind them. Calls for the order that allows rerolls.
He can't hurt the monolith....but the flamer templates cover the necrons....does he get the rerolls?

Was he covering as much of the monolith as possible? If not, illegal placement of the template.

Right, I think this is the only caveat - he wouldn't be able to cover as many Necron Warriors as possible, instead he would have to cover as much of the Monolith as possible. However, if that took him over a unit of Warriors, I don't see any reason why you would not get re-rolls.

It's similar to assaulting a vehicle you cannot hurt for an extra 6" movement up the field.

KestrelM1 wrote:

warboss wrote:Why didn't he just target the warriors? Is there a part of the story we're missing??

Because the order in question, "Bring it Down!" is only usable if the target is a Vehicle, Monstrous Creature, or unit of Monstrous Creatures.

That said, the wording of the order supports this scenario. The Order says that the unit "immediately fires at the target, counting their weapons as twin linked." Thus the weapons count as twin-linked for all purposes, even collateral damage in the case of template or blast weapons.

Ahh, thanks. Its a bit underhanded but legal from the wording posted above. It doesn't say it counts as TL against that target but simply counts as TL.

You have to cover as many models in the targeted unit as possible. And since the Monolith is only a single unit, you are free to position the flamer anyway you like it so long as it touches the vehicle. It still has to be able to reach the Monolith for this strategy to work, however.

Jimsolo wrote:You have to cover as many models in the targeted unit as possible. And since the Monolith is only a single unit, you are free to position the flamer anyway you like it so long as it touches the vehicle. It still has to be able to reach the Monolith for this strategy to work, however.

The underlined above is incorrect.

P.29 states "Against vehicles, the template must be placed to cover as much of the vehicle as possible without touching any friendly models"

So you can not "position the flamer anyway you like it so long as it touches the vehicle."

and of course you still need to be able to touch the vehicle with the template, otherwise the flamer does not fire because it has missed.


As for the OP, yes you would count all the units weapons as twin linked if you issue that order. This includes flamers.

Huh. My bad.

It is a smart move.Give him a pat on the back for me.Still it was underhanded.......give him 2.

ToI wrote:@ Scott - I think it just says as many models as possible do you have a pg number / quote for that particular rule as I don't have a book infront of me

Against vehicles you must cover as much of the vehicle as possible - death reaper has already quoted it.

Quote it he did, handing me my tuchas in the process. Page 29.