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Do they do on missions where they disguise themselves as the enemy to collect intel?

(for example, in my Special Forces Guard Army, It may have some guardsmen who go amongst the ranks of a traitor guard army and cultist warbands such as the blood pact to collect info and stuff)

Of course they won't be allowed to take part in rituals, eat any of their food, and commit to any crimes that would be considered heretical

Also are there situations where scout marines work alongside guardsmen in covert ops as well?

Do stealth operations? Sure. why the hell not?
Disguise themselves? Never. (Unless it is as another human)
But of course Space Marines can't really disguise themselves when they are demigods amongst men.
No, Space Marines probably do stealth operations exclusively.

The Thunderbolts in Chapter's Due do a mission very much like the one you describe...
Turns out it was a touch pointless because of Sicarius' douch baggery.

Inquisitors? All the time. Infiltration, under-cover, you name it.

Space Marines? Stealth and Stealth/Recon. When you're seven and a half feet tall, you can't "blend in" with regular humans. Ogryns, maybe.

IG? Rarely, but possible. More stealth-recon than infiltration, as the IG would need to know a whole lot about the enemy (code-words, habits, leaders, commanders, etc) to successfully infiltrate. This is better suited to the assassins of the Vindicare Temples.

Thats the inquisitions bread and butter right there. Space marines could never pull it off as they are kind of noticable and would rather shoot everything that they don't like. Although I can see Alpha Legion doing this though as they constantly disguise themselves and rely on deception. Guard probably wouldn't work that well as even if they did complete a mission they would have to be executed in case of corruption.

Deathsadvocate wrote:Thats the inquisitions bread and butter right there. Space marines could never pull it off as they are kind of noticable and would rather shoot everything that they don't like. Although I can see Alpha Legion doing this though as they constantly disguise themselves and rely on deception. Guard probably wouldn't work that well as even if they did complete a mission they would have to be executed in case of corruption.

Marines can do it if they are infiltrating a renegade force or similar. They also have more self-control than you credit them with.
In Chapter's Due a squad of Ultramarines infiltrate a renegade camp to locate an enemy commander.

Shrike of the ravenguard is proof of covert actions among space marines.

But they're jack of all trades special troops, so they do all roles. I'm sure that there has to be some covert operations in Guard and especially the inquisition.

Define, covert action. You mean planet scale, or 'you group of 20, go sneak into that ruin and findsome food/sabotage that bridge''

In Rebel Winter there was a guardsmen who infiltrated and "became" a leader of the rebels as part of his guise.

purplefood wrote:

Deathsadvocate wrote:Thats the inquisitions bread and butter right there. Space marines could never pull it off as they are kind of noticable and would rather shoot everything that they don't like. Although I can see Alpha Legion doing this though as they constantly disguise themselves and rely on deception. Guard probably wouldn't work that well as even if they did complete a mission they would have to be executed in case of corruption.

Marines can do it if they are infiltrating a renegade force or similar. They also have more self-control than you credit them with.
In Chapter's Due a squad of Ultramarines infiltrate a renegade camp to locate an enemy commander.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Ok so I concede that they could do this but I see them more in a support role for inquisitors once things go to hell like the deathwatch marine in killteam.

Psienesis wrote:Space Marines? Stealth and Stealth/Recon. When you're seven and a half feet tall, you can't "blend in" with regular humans.

Fluff has already shown this to be fully possible, it is one of the prefered tactics of Great Crusade Era Alpha Legion.

OR you could just crack open the C:SM and read the fluff about scout squads, they are covert ops units.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Of course they won't be allowed to take part in rituals, eat any of their food, and commit to any crimes that would be considered heretical

They probably wouldn't last long with that method.

Would Space Marines ever pretend to be chaos marines to infiltrate an enemy army? Or would that be Heresy?

RaptorsTallon wrote:Would Space Marines ever pretend to be chaos marines to infiltrate an enemy army?

We have stories of them doing just that. Specifically, I recall a White Scar covertly joining the Red Corsairs for subversive activity.

Stormtroopers regularly undertake special operations and deep reconnaissance for the Guard. They can't really "disguise themselves" however, except maybe if they were just regular rebels and not Chaos/Xenos/

Callidus Assassins are the only Imperial agents I've heard of disguising themselves for infiltration missions. Probably get some in the Templars Psykologis as well (Departmento Munitorum Intelligence)

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Do guardsmen or inquistors or space marines go on covert operations?

Guard: Yes, especially the veterans and members of scout/recon/light regiments.
Inquisitors: When AREN'T they on a covert operation?
Space Marines: In the sense of recon, ambush, etc, yes.

BluntmanDC wrote:Fluff has already shown this to be fully possible

No it hasn't. They can sneak around, but they cannot blend in to a normal human population.

If they tried to blend in with a human population they'd be ousted as mutants because of the various organ implants and hideous deformities this leaves on their body (the Black Carapace lone is blatantly obvious when they aren't in power armor). The Imperium often puts mutants to death by fire. This wouldn't end well.

Guard, hells yells. The whole of the Gereon mission for Gaunt and co. Also vets always hired by Inquisitors for deep cover.

Inquisitors themselves rarely do, but interrogators, it's their job, that's what they do.

Marines, Stealth, but not infiltration. They are 8 foot tall and hate heretics, Alpha legion does it to other chapters/legions, and ravenguard might do, same with nightlords, but other than that, no.

Should be noted that the Raptors Chapter of Space Marines specialize in special operations as well. Though SM special ops are more along the lines of deep recon then any kind of infiltration.

Stealth and recon is what Alpha Legion specializes at. They're able to infiltrate other chapters and, I would imagine, the imperium using psychic shrouding and the like. I believe that was the method they used in the Horus Heresy novel Legion, and I don't see why they wouldn't keep at it post-heresy. Night Lords are more about Terror than stealth, but they do like to sneak around and sow havoc.

Raven Guard use hit-and-run guerilla tactics, I would imagine that they would also perform a lot of recon using their scouts, but I believe Corax even had a suit of "stealth" terminator armour. Kayvaan Shrike is famed for being behind enemy lines and striking at just the right moment where the enemy least expects it.

Amon Tauromachian of the Adeptus Custodes was able to fit in with work crews and in human cities on Terra for months at a time in Blood Games. Granted, the Adeptus Custodes aren't Space Marines, but similar enough, I feel.

In the inquisition, yeah, some will sneak around and try to find heretics, xenos, psykers, mutants, etc. using covert means.

Could your average Space Marine Tactical Marine just walk into a human settlement and not be noticed? I doubt it. But I feel like using prosthetics and surgery or psychic shrouding and such, specialist marines or scouts could get the job done.

I can really see the guard being used as support in a under cover operation. Though one thing I also keep seeing is it not ending well for the guard.

Melissia wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:Fluff has already shown this to be fully possible

No it hasn't. They can sneak around, but they cannot blend in to a normal human population.

If they tried to blend in with a human population they'd be ousted as mutants because of the various organ implants and hideous deformities this leaves on their body (the Black Carapace lone is blatantly obvious when they aren't in power armor). The Imperium often puts mutants to death by fire. This wouldn't end well.

Forgetting to quote the rest of the sentence that gives a clear example printed by GW and written by GW............ PRICELESS

Can you please dispute what i or GW have written?

And as described by GW fluff an unarmoured squad or marines could easily protect themselves from normal civilian/paramilitary humans.

Inquisitor Bond wrote:Guard, hells yells. The whole of the Gereon mission for Gaunt and co. Also vets always hired by Inquisitors for deep cover.

Inquisitors themselves rarely do, but interrogators, it's their job, that's what they do.

Marines, Stealth, but not infiltration. They are 8 foot tall and hate heretics, Alpha legion does it to other chapters/legions, and ravenguard might do, same with nightlords, but other than that, no.

Lots of fuff about all of them carrying out covert operations. In a Space Wolf novel a Fallen DA possess as a Mercenary... which is a little dodgy as the Wolves don't catch on - what enhanced senses

Inquisitors often go covert or in disguise - in another BL novel them possing as Rogue Traders is seen as a cliche - and the actual Inqiusitor is undercover as a torch singer but as she says:

Some Inquisitors believe the Emperor’s work is best done by charging around the place like a grox in a ceramic emporium, leaving a trail of carnage and destruction in their wake, while others prefer not to let the enemies of all that’s good and holy get clean away by making it blindingly obvious they’re coming for them

Bluntman: Okay, try to get a seven foot tall black musclebuilder with his body covered in biker tattoos to pass off as a Cantonese farmer to Chinese authorities.

Melissia wrote:Bluntman: Okay, try to get a seven foot tall black musclebuilder with his body covered in biker tattoos to pass off as a Cantonese farmer to Chinese authorities.

I think a marine may be able to pass as a very big mortal or a renegade if they dressed and acted appropriately. Though it would be difficult...

purplefood wrote:

Melissia wrote:Bluntman: Okay, try to get a seven foot tall black musclebuilder with his body covered in biker tattoos to pass off as a Cantonese farmer to Chinese authorities.

I think a marine may be able to pass as a very big mortal or a renegade if they dressed and acted appropriately. Though it would be difficult...

A very big, deformed, mutated mortal, sure. All those extra organs and implants take up space-- dunno why people think that a second heart, a third lung, larger and strengthened bone structure and the organ that creates it, vastly increased muscular structure and the organ that creates it, redder blood and skin and the organ that creates it, a second liver, a second stomach, several brain implants and other misc implants not in the brain, implants inside the mouth, can be just jammed in there without changing the shape of the Marine or creating other deformities, especially when they're supposedly only between seven and eight feet tall outside of power armor according to many sources.. and then there's the black carapace, which looks like a hideous mis-colored growth upon one's body and is blatantly obvious unless they dress extremely conservatively.

Melissia wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Melissia wrote:Bluntman: Okay, try to get a seven foot tall black musclebuilder with his body covered in biker tattoos to pass off as a Cantonese farmer to Chinese authorities.

I think a marine may be able to pass as a very big mortal or a renegade if they dressed and acted appropriately. Though it would be difficult...

A very big, deformed, mutated mortal, sure. All those extra organs and implants take up space-- dunno why people think that a second heart, a third lung, larger and strengthened bone structure and the organ that creates it, vastly increased muscular structure and the organ that creates it, redder blood and skin and the organ that creates it, a second liver, a second stomach, several brain implants and other misc implants not in the brain, implants inside the mouth, can be just jammed in there without changing the shape of the Marine or creating other deformities, especially when they're supposedly only between seven and eight feet tall outside of power armor according to many sources.. and then there's the black carapace, which looks like a hideous mis-colored growth upon one's body and is blatantly obvious unless they dress extremely conservatively.

Luckily there are plenty of robe wearing people in both the Imperium and many of its enemies' armies...

Honestly, if I was walking down the street, and saw an 8 foot tall, 780 kilo monster, I wouldn't immediately think Space Marine.

DarknessEternal wrote:

RaptorsTallon wrote:Would Space Marines ever pretend to be chaos marines to infiltrate an enemy army?

We have stories of them doing just that. Specifically, I recall a White Scar covertly joining the Red Corsairs for subversive activity.

And of course the Alpha Legion, at least for a while.

DarknessEternal wrote:

RaptorsTallon wrote:Would Space Marines ever pretend to be chaos marines to infiltrate an enemy army?

We have stories of them doing just that. Specifically, I recall a White Scar covertly joining the Red Corsairs for subversive activity.

The White Scar died pretty much straight away...

Toastedandy wrote:Honestly, if I was walking down the street, and saw an 8 foot tall, 780 kilo monster, I wouldn't immediately think Space Marine.

I'd think "I'm going to go over there where I don't have a chance of pissing him off", myself.

Melissia wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Melissia wrote:Bluntman: Okay, try to get a seven foot tall black musclebuilder with his body covered in biker tattoos to pass off as a Cantonese farmer to Chinese authorities.

I think a marine may be able to pass as a very big mortal or a renegade if they dressed and acted appropriately. Though it would be difficult...

A very big, deformed, mutated mortal, sure. All those extra organs and implants take up space-- dunno why people think that a second heart, a third lung, larger and strengthened bone structure and the organ that creates it, vastly increased muscular structure and the organ that creates it, redder blood and skin and the organ that creates it, a second liver, a second stomach, several brain implants and other misc implants not in the brain, implants inside the mouth, can be just jammed in there without changing the shape of the Marine or creating other deformities, especially when they're supposedly only between seven and eight feet tall outside of power armor according to many sources.. and then there's the black carapace, which looks like a hideous mis-colored growth upon one's body and is blatantly obvious unless they dress extremely conservatively.

And yet you forget that the index astartes has access to psykers, well trained psykers. If you actually bothered to look into the source i gave you (instead of going off on one) you would have realised that space marines have indeed gone on undercover missions among normal humans and one of the techniques they use is psychic sheilding.

Also, the fact that as shated in fluff, many Fallen live among normal humans andcan live relatively normal lives for years shows that it is entirely possible.

There is a case where the head of the Custode's goes on a mission without his armour, their craft is shot down by a gang in the wastes and just think he is a gene enhanced merc. There are probably a heck of a lot of gene enhancements and augmentations about in the 41st millenium and so the public might not instantly assume its an Astarte's (remember a vast majority wouldn't know what one looked like in the flesh anyway)