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Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

The SW gene-seed has nothing to do with their non-compliance with the Codex.
Though AFAIK it isn't possible to mix gene-seed...

It would probably kill the one that it is getting implanted is that what your thinking?

For the most part, mixing Gene Seed always ends horribly for the recipient.

The Cursed founding shows that it doesn't end well.

The Cup of Russ is something that only works with the geneseed of Russ as it is used to bring out any flaws withing that marine.

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:It would probably kill the one that it is getting implanted is that what your thinking?

No as in, mixing the gene-seed would require such a good understanding of the gene-seed that it would be possible to simply make your own gene-seed with any characteristics you like.

Ok i was just wondering.. because it would be really cool fluff wise

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

Well it's kinda how they made GK. They tried for 1 founding-the cursed founding. GK were the only especially successful chapter made with this technique.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

Well it's kinda how they made GK. They tried for 1 founding-the cursed founding. GK were the only especially successful chapter made with this technique.

Source? We don't know how they made the GK. They're hinted at being produced more directly from the Emperors genetic make-up.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

Well it's kinda how they made GK. They tried for 1 founding-the cursed founding. GK were the only especially successful chapter made with this technique.

OH MY GOD, you seem to have a direct feed in to the mind of Matt Ward and are able to retell completely unrealesed fluff, not endorsed by GW and confuse someone on a forum for god know what reason.

GW have never given any fluff hints that they are a 'blend' chapter, they have however given fluff hints that they were a completely new geneseed, possible based on the genes of the Emperor.

BluntmanDC wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

Well it's kinda how they made GK. They tried for 1 founding-the cursed founding. GK were the only especially successful chapter made with this technique.

OH MY GOD, you seem to have a direct feed in to the mind of Matt Ward and are able to retell completely unrealesed fluff, not endorsed by GW and confuse someone on a forum for god know what reason.

GW have never given any fluff hints that they are a 'blend' chapter, they have however given fluff hints that they were a completely new geneseed, possible based on the genes of the Emperor.

Agreed, since I read Flight of the Eisenstein in the Horus series and the Grey Knights Omni... I don't think they were a hybrid of any chapter. But I guess we will never know....

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Ok i was just wondering.. because it would be really cool fluff wise

If you're looking for a codex wolfy chapter then you could fluff up a SW successor. Given the lack of fondness for the SW, if the high lords were going to authorise a successor they'd keep really close tabs on them and make sure they toed the line 100%.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

Well it's kinda how they made GK. They tried for 1 founding-the cursed founding. GK were the only especially successful chapter made with this technique.

Source? We don't know how they made the GK. They're hinted at being produced more directly from the Emperors genetic make-up.

GW said that GK were either a blend of all twenty geneseeds, mixed together into one special gene-seed, or the "pure" seed thing.

Will look for source and post later.


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Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Due to some inconceivable errors and misjudgement... is it possible to mix up geneseeds and such between chapters causing a change in certain marines and happen enough to cause a new hybrid chapter to be formed?

I was just wondering what would happen if you crossed Ultra's geneseed and the SWs Cup of Wulfen, would you get codex compliant SWs or what?

Well it's kinda how they made GK. They tried for 1 founding-the cursed founding. GK were the only especially successful chapter made with this technique.

OH MY GOD, you seem to have a direct feed in to the mind of Matt Ward and are able to retell completely unrealesed fluff, not endorsed by GW and confuse someone on a forum for god know what reason.

GW have never given any fluff hints that they are a 'blend' chapter, they have however given fluff hints that they were a completely new geneseed, possible based on the genes of the Emperor.

Agreed, since I read Flight of the Eisenstein in the Horus series and the Grey Knights Omni... I don't think they were a hybrid of any chapter. But I guess we will never know....

If they had the "pure" seed thing, they wouldn't be SM. SM are created from the gene-seed of primarchs. If they were created from the Emperor, they would be custodes.

In Storm of Iron wasn't Hounsou said to be a mix of IW and IF geneseed. Hence the insults and way he was treated by others.

(Woo 200th post)

I believe he was created using only Imperial Fists geneseed, but served the Iron Warriors, so was called a half-breed because of it.

And Congrats!

But that wouldn't make him a half breed just a corrupt fist. Didn't the book say he had Dorn's features? So he was more like a renegade serving with the I Warriors than a mix between the two. On the other hand however taking Chaos sorceries and tech it might have been possible to mix

im2randomghgh wrote:If they had the "pure" seed thing, they wouldn't be SM. SM are created from the gene-seed of primarchs. If they were created from the Emperor, they would be custodes.

How many threads do there need to be before people actually realise that custodes are NOT space marines, they do not use geneseed to create them, they are created completely differently from space marines, GW have made this clear.

Also Primarches did not have geneseed, as they were NOT space marines. The Emperor created geneseed to make space marines and then keyed sets of geneseed to each primarch

Geneseed (the creation of the Emperor) were based on the genetic material of people, the primarches, so why is it so hard to understand that the Emperor could make geneseed from another person, himself?

Why is it that if a marine has 'pure' geneseed he is no longer a space marine, he still has all the organs and modifications? It would be like saying a imperial fist is not a space marine because they were not made by ultramarine geneseed

BluntmanDC wrote:=im2randomghgh]If they had the "pure" seed thing, they wouldn't be SM. SM are created from the gene-seed of primarchs. If they were created from the Emperor, they would be custodes.[/quote)


How many threads do there need to be before people actually realise that custodes are NOT space marines, they do not use geneseed to create them, they are created completely differently from space marines, GW have made this clear.

Geneseed (the creation of the Emperor) were based on the genetic material of people, the primarches, so why is it so hard to understand that the Emperor could make geneseed from another person, himself?

Why is it that if a marine has 'pure' geneseed he is no longer a space marine, he still has all the organs and modifications? It would be like saying a imperial fist is not a space marine because they were not made by ultramarine geneseed

I follow you up to the last section but maybe I'm not reading it right.

If i actually do follow you correctly... we can consider space marine with pure geneseed a stem cell not yet determined to what fuction (chapter/primach) they serve.

This clears up the muddy water for me in an unrelated topic, but what about Honsou is he a hybrid or just a corrupt IF. The 'half-breed' term confused me.

Honsou is made using If gene-seed but he serves the Iron Warriors. They call him half-breed because they perceieve him to be not as good as they are... though clearly that isn't true.

purplefood wrote:Honsou is made using If gene-seed but he serves the Iron Warriors. They call him half-breed because they perceieve him to be not as good as they are... though clearly that isn't true.

Clearly a weak comeback on the IWs part.. must mean they are jealous.

Honsou is actually made from 100% pure unadulterated awesome, not IF Gene Seed.

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:=im2randomghgh]If they had the "pure" seed thing, they wouldn't be SM. SM are created from the gene-seed of primarchs. If they were created from the Emperor, they would be custodes.[/quote)


How many threads do there need to be before people actually realise that custodes are NOT space marines, they do not use geneseed to create them, they are created completely differently from space marines, GW have made this clear.

Geneseed (the creation of the Emperor) were based on the genetic material of people, the primarches, so why is it so hard to understand that the Emperor could make geneseed from another person, himself?

Why is it that if a marine has 'pure' geneseed he is no longer a space marine, he still has all the organs and modifications? It would be like saying a imperial fist is not a space marine because they were not made by ultramarine geneseed

I follow you up to the last section but maybe I'm not reading it right.

If i actually do follow you correctly... we can consider space marine with pure geneseed a stem cell not yet determined to what fuction (chapter/primach) they serve.

Geneseed is not stem cells, it has never been described as such by GW, geneseed is on organ that contains something that allows the development of the organs needed to make a space marine.

In the GW usage of the word 'pure' it means uncorruptable by choas or uneffected by mutation, however all genesseds no matter what the origin has the same function, their only function, to produce new marines.

Each genessed (bar the GK's) is suseptable to some level of change or mutation so is not pure.

Also space marine do not have geneseed, they have two progeniod glands, which once matured to geneseed are removed

Oh right.. duh... I misinterpreted my own thoughts... and didn't really do all the appropriate reading...

Thanks for correcting me.

BluntmanDC wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:If they had the "pure" seed thing, they wouldn't be SM. SM are created from the gene-seed of primarchs. If they were created from the Emperor, they would be custodes.

How many threads do there need to be before people actually realise that custodes are NOT space marines, they do not use geneseed to create them, they are created completely differently from space marines, GW have made this clear.

Also Primarches did not have geneseed, as they were NOT space marines. The Emperor created geneseed to make space marines and then keyed sets of geneseed to each primarch

Geneseed (the creation of the Emperor) were based on the genetic material of people, the primarches, so why is it so hard to understand that the Emperor could make geneseed from another person, himself?

Why is it that if a marine has 'pure' geneseed he is no longer a space marine, he still has all the organs and modifications? It would be like saying a imperial fist is not a space marine because they were not made by ultramarine geneseed

I know custodes don't use gene-seed, I didn't say they were. I said if they were CREATED FROM THE EMPEROR, they would be custodes.

One way to think of it is:

the primarchs were imperfect "clones" (for lack of a better term), and the Space Marines were imperfect clones of the primarchs, a human-primarch hybrid if you would.

If the Emperor Had created the GK from his own stock, they would have been physically superior to SM, and though they are better than most SM, they do not have a physical advantage.

Think of it this way: The Emperor is the ultimate potential of all humankind, a paragon who has so much power his godhood is not only possible, but likely. Everytime His seed is diluted (Empy to primarch/ primarch to SM) it's potency is decreased by orders of magnitude. If GK were created from the DNA of the Emperor, with no...middle man...they would likely be either as large and powerful as primarch, or as physically superior as custodes (yes, they are distinct, I know. Custodes are similar to astartes only in that they are post-human warriors, and they may even be vat-grown, it is still not cemented into fact).

TL;DR: GK can't be from the Emperor's DNA, unless they are secretly primarchs.


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Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:=im2randomghgh]If they had the "pure" seed thing, they wouldn't be SM. SM are created from the gene-seed of primarchs. If they were created from the Emperor, they would be custodes.[/quote)


How many threads do there need to be before people actually realise that custodes are NOT space marines, they do not use geneseed to create them, they are created completely differently from space marines, GW have made this clear.

Geneseed (the creation of the Emperor) were based on the genetic material of people, the primarches, so why is it so hard to understand that the Emperor could make geneseed from another person, himself?

Why is it that if a marine has 'pure' geneseed he is no longer a space marine, he still has all the organs and modifications? It would be like saying a imperial fist is not a space marine because they were not made by ultramarine geneseed

I follow you up to the last section but maybe I'm not reading it right.

If i actually do follow you correctly... we can consider space marine with pure geneseed a stem cell not yet determined to what fuction (chapter/primach) they serve.

Geneseed is not stem cells, it has never been described as such by GW, geneseed is on organ that contains something that allows the development of the organs needed to make a space marine.

In the GW usage of the word 'pure' it means uncorruptable by choas or uneffected by mutation, however all genesseds no matter what the origin has the same function, their only function, to produce new marines.

Each genessed (bar the GK's) is suseptable to some level of change or mutation so is not pure.

Also space marine do not have geneseed, they have two progeniod glands, which once matured to geneseed are removed

Actually Ultramarine Gene-seed and a few others are unflawed.

Also, Gene-seed is a nickname for Progenoid glands, don't treat them as distinct.

Other than tht, I mostly agree with what you said.