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2011/08/26 04:41:39
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Spawn of Chaos
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2011/08/26 05:22:07
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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For me, he's just not good enough. He's alright and pretty good. However not worth a landraider to me
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2011/08/26 05:38:34
Subject: Re:Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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I would say in that low of a point game he isn't worth it. Yea he can cast 3 powers a turn, but chaos really only gets 2 good ones. So you really can cast 2 and then have a force weapon. At that point you might as well spend another 25 points and run abbodon. If you are playing a fluffy thousand sons army, then you might as well run him.
I don't know the people you play, but around where I play there is more than enough physic hate to go around. personally I would run either a prince or lord, or another named character. If you stay away from typhus and ahriman you shouldn't have any problems. It comes down to run him and see if he can actually do any thing. But there are better choices that you can run.
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2011/08/26 11:40:45
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Fixture of Dakka
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I would have to agree that he's probably not worth it. Whilst, yes, he can pack a lot of shooting/psychic power, he's pretty vulnerable, expensive and very vulnerable to perils for example. Add to this the weakness of most CSM Psychic Powers and the abundance of Psychic Defence and I'd agree he's not worth it in most cases.
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2011/08/26 13:54:26
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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In a serious list? No. However he can be fun in fun builds like so:
Ahriman
Sorcerer, Gift, MoT
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
Oblits
Oblits
Oblits
2000-ish?
I once made this right before a game against Demons, and destroyed him; just haul ass into him, then start Gifting anything that's interesting. It gets pretty awesome with all the spawn running around. Definitely not a serious list, but it can be very fun once in a while to keep things fresh.
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2011/08/26 23:14:56
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Regular Dakkanaut
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odorofdeath wrote:In a serious list? No. However he can be fun in fun builds like so:
Ahriman
Sorcerer, Gift, MoT
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
5x 1k Sons, Gift, Rhino
Oblits
Oblits
Oblits
2000-ish?
I once made this right before a game against Demons, and destroyed him; just haul ass into him, then start Gifting anything that's interesting. It gets pretty awesome with all the spawn running around. Definitely not a serious list, but it can be very fun once in a while to keep things fresh.
LOL! U da man!
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2011/08/26 23:45:16
Subject: Re:Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Fixture of Dakka
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He's an entire unit's worth of good shooting. He can also account quite well for himself in assault, what with Warp Time and a force weapon.
He's not a top-tier chaos guy, like Kharn, but he can be pretty good.
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2011/08/27 00:42:39
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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He's interesting, and here I'm damning with faint praise. 3 powers is nice, but other heavy psykers in the game can do the same. And if he's facing Psychic Hoods/Shadow in the Warp/Eldar Farseers Helms, that just means he'll have 3 chances to fry himself and not cast the power.
Add that to the tragic lack of Eternal Warrior and the few actually worthwhile chaos powers, and he's meant mostly for fluffy high-point lists. If he was priced at 160-170, like a psyker equivalent of Kharn, I'd take him. Otherwise....
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2011/08/27 23:08:28
Subject: Re:Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Honestly I think what would make him worth his points is disabling psychic hoods/other psychic defences in a radius around him. Making him better in a Thousand Sons list with other psykers with him. Call it Storm of Change or sommat.
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2011/08/27 23:53:00
Subject: Re:Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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He sucks... stay away from em (he really does suck, especially for 250 pts... thats how much Mephiston costs!)
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2011/08/28 00:10:15
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Yeah... oof. But theoretically, Ahriman _could_ beat Mephiston in an assault via Force Weapon. But yeah, thats not good.
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2011/08/28 03:28:55
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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odorofdeath wrote:Yeah... oof. But theoretically, Ahriman _could_ beat Mephiston in an assault via Force Weapon. But yeah, thats not good.
If meph fails sword, then fails to instagib ahriman, and then ahriman wounds AND gets his weapon past the hood... so pretty much superlucky haha
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2011/08/28 04:35:14
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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That would make Ahriman a happy lil guy... but alas, he is forever condemned to Gifting 3 times a turn....
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2011/09/19 01:41:16
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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odorofdeath wrote:Yeah... oof. But theoretically, Ahriman _could_ beat Mephiston in an assault via Force Weapon. But yeah, thats not good.
That's some long theory. No matter who charges, Mephiston will go first. If he gets his power off, he'll be hitting at S10 and insta-killing Ahriman on the first failed save. He'll be re-rolling all hits and wounds on our favorite sorcerer as well, and his Psychic hood will halve the chances of Ahriman's Warptime, Gift and force Weapon. And he'll need a 6 to wound.
Theoritically possible. But honestly? If you can pull it off with Ahriman, odds are you could do it with a Tau drone. 
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2011/09/19 05:23:17
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Power-Hungry Cultist of Tzeentch
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No
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2011/09/19 06:08:32
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Sephyr wrote:odorofdeath wrote:Yeah... oof. But theoretically, Ahriman _could_ beat Mephiston in an assault via Force Weapon. But yeah, thats not good.
That's some long theory. No matter who charges, Mephiston will go first. If he gets his power off, he'll be hitting at S10 and insta-killing Ahriman on the first failed save. He'll be re-rolling all hits and wounds on our favorite sorcerer as well, and his Psychic hood will halve the chances of Ahriman's Warptime, Gift and force Weapon. And he'll need a 6 to wound.
Theoritically possible. But honestly? If you can pull it off with Ahriman, odds are you could do it with a Tau drone.
Might as well spawnify him and be done with it! 
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2011/09/19 07:12:58
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Power-Hungry Cultist of Tzeentch
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Gift of chaos is a pony with one trick. A trick it can't do on command. Be aware that you have to be within 6" AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TURN! This gak don't fly against a solid opponent. I've been playing a Thousand Sons army for almost 4 years and Ahriman always stays at home. I'd CONSIDER him if his points cost was halved.
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2011/09/19 07:25:32
Subject: Is Ahriman worth 250 pts
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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As said by Sephyr, he's no match up against Mephiston. Moreover, he has no psychic protection which sounds a bit strange for being a would-be first-class psyker.
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