White Scars Unimportant

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**rockerbikie**

I was talking to a redshirt and he said that White Scars in an unimportant chapter to the imperium of man. Is that true and why.

**Coolyo294**

No. They are one of the Original Legions.

**Robbyraidar**

Its true They don't have flashy history, probably because they don't have enough fluff as every one else.
But what about the Battle for Terra?
The Crusades? Armegaddon? The White Scars took part in these engagments. How could things be different if the Khan went to help Russ instead of listening to Dorn?

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Surely all chapters are important if the Imperium is being assailed on all sides by Xenos and Chaos?

**1hadhq**

rockerbikie wrote:I was talking to a redshirt and he said that White Scars in an unimportant chapter to the imperium of man. Is that true and why.

Let this redshirt feel how unimportant he is....
Ask the employee why GW made shoulderpads for some of these whatever have you founding chapters nobody plays. Keep on to question the importance of said chapters to the imperium. If he can't make a case where these are worth knowing, show him the errror of his ways and bind him behind your bike and have a nice ride...

The White scars had a biker upgrade and shoulderpads, other chapters had nothing, they got a SC where others got none, novels where they don't ride bikes...oh wait.

Seems the White Scars are in the same boat than some of their brethren.
The background is there, the White Scars are not unimportant but as a chapter without their own book and the absence of index astartes a bit lost in the noise of SW, BA, GK, etc.
The White Scars act as headhunters and ruin regularly the enemys supply lines, be it the siege of the palace or armageddon.
Doesn't reap you a glorious reputation if you operate behind the lines and ride on to the sunset.

**Brother Coa**

rockerbikie wrote:I was talking to a redshirt and he said that White Scars in an unimportant chapter to the imperium of man. Is that true and why.

Uh... It is true that there is not much fluff on them like for other chapters. But they are original Legion Chapter. It was they, Dark angels and Space Wolves that rushed toward Terra during the siege. And their Primarch is lost in the Webway after chasing Dark Eldar into it.

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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Surely all chapters are important if the Imperium is being assailed on all sides by Xenos and Chaos?

+ 1.000.000

**sirrah**

Of course not, there's even like 3(!!) pages featuring them in Codex: Ultramarines. They're certainly more present in the game than some other First Founding chapters (lol iron hands who are they? sounds traitor to me).

**TrollPie**

White Scars aren't as fluffed out and played as much as most other founding legions. Therefore they don't play as important a part as the other chapters from the reader's perspective (since their actions aren't detailed very well) but in reality have seen just much combat as the others.

**Void__Dragon**

Sure, they don't show up in the fluff as often as some other of the original Legions, but it could be worse.

They could be the Iron Hands, who IIRC got no fluff at all in the Marine codex save a quote from their chapter master. You know, those things the Iron Hands aren't supposed to have.

Dammit Ward.

**Jimsolo**

I think this particular redshirt was letting personal prejudice get in the way of his role as a haloed yogi of gaming zen. I'll forgive him this once.

**Harriticus**

White Scars and Iron Hands are the abandoned children of GW. Salamanders are getting there too.

**croggy**

we cannot allow white scars to die

**AustonT**

Simple answer. Redshirts are minimum wage employees of GW that are just as expendable, if not more than their Star Trek counterparts. Their opinions about what is and is not important carry as much weight as anyone else's. White Scars are better represented than many chapters, have an IC and an option to a playable army in C:SM. They are as unimportant as say Uthwe or Dark Angels. And probably have as many players.

**Happygrunt**

If they are unimportant, then why were they a playable faction in KILLTEAM?

**Shayden**

Happygrunt wrote:If they are unimportant, then why were they a playable faction in KILLTEAM?

Or are present in the upcoming video game Space Marine? Y'know, Relic's biggest 40k title to date?

**The Mad Tanker**

From http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/White_Scars#The_Battle_of_Terra

Battle of Terra
During the siege of the Emperor's Palace the White Scars fought alongside the Blood Angels and Imperial Fists against the traitors. They launched several hit-and-run assaults and together with remnants of the 1st Terran Tank Division and several Imperial Infantry Regiments they successfully harassed the enemy supply lines on Lions Gate spaceport.7-p357

The Sabbat Worlds
The White Scars fought alongside Saint Sabbat during her crusade to liberate the Sabbat Worlds from the forces of Chaos. After her martyrdom on Harkalon, where she suffered the Nine Holy Wounds, her body was retrieved by the White Scars and interred on Hagia.14

**Deathsadvocate**

White scars just don't get enough attention but they do have a book titled "Hunt for Voldorius" which is more than some chapters. They also got the special character Kor'sarro Khan who has an instant kill blade and makes all your troops and dedicated transports outflank which is just too much fun to pass up. Iron Hands are the ones that have absolutely nothing going for them right now it is just sad. At least give them a special character since every other legion has one.

**Robbyraidar**

I Think The Iron Hand have a novel. But Their fluff is confusing, due to GW and Black Libaray mixing up stuff.

**Stella Cadente**

they are not blue
they do not have a big white U on the shoulder
they are not the love child of matt ward and jervis johnson
so they are not important at all

**AustonT**

Remember when the world was still upright, ultra-marines were third founding, and crimson fists and blood angels were the poster boys of GW. Sigh, better days.

**-Loki-**

Harriticus wrote:Salamanders are getting there too.

Yeah, being given a character better than they even gave their poster boys the Ultramarines it toally being forgotten about.

**Stella Cadente**

-Loki- wrote:
Harriticus wrote:Salamanders are getting there too.

Yeah, being given a character better than they even gave their poster boys the Ultramarines it toally being forgotten about.

and how many salamander armies have you seen using vuklan?, I've seen more blue vulkans than green ones

**AustonT**

Stella Cadente wrote:
-Loki- wrote:
Harriticus wrote:Salamanders are getting there too.

Yeah, being given a character better than they even gave their poster boys the Ultramarines it toally being forgotten about.

and how many salamander armies have you seen using vuklan?, I've seen more blue vulkans than green ones

All you have really convinced me of here is that Smurfs despite having GWs love lavished upon them are still jealous of other chapters. Deep down smurfs always wish they were someone else.
Exhibit A

**Field Marshal Wiley**

This is another reason now i should start a White Scars army i like marines but i want something crazy i.e. not seen much and a chance to escape the horrors or currently painting a blob style Imperial Guard ( almost there hahah). I am scared to try and paint a all white army it's hard to get perfect.

**Ironsight**

Void__Dragon wrote:Sure, they don't show up in the fluff as often as some other of the original Legions, but it could be worse.

They could be the Iron Hands, who IIRC got no fluff at all in the Marine codex save a quote from their chapter master. You know, those things the Iron Hands aren't supposed to have.

Dammit Ward.

Just going to throw this out here, but the Iron Hands also got a small story in the codex as well. It's immediately after the story about the Astral Knights and the World Engine, titled "The Purging of Contqual".

**Void__Dragon**

Wow, really?

I must have somehow missed that.

I'll look for it later.

**1hadhq**

The purging of the contqal sector is a copy paste effort... and the only IH story GW provided in codices and expansions.
The WS got the hunt for voldorius in the codex and as expanded version as a novel.
Plus savage scars, where the WS doesn't get as much show time as expected...
Still nothing on the HH front.

**Lord Rogukiel**

Doesn't forgeworld make a load of IH stuff, like shoulderpads, vehicles doors, brass transfers and even special arms, legs and heads? Or am I just having a memory fail?

**Ironsight**

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Doesn't forgeworld make a load of IH stuff, like shoulderpads, vehicles doors, brass transfers and even special arms, legs and heads? Or am I just having a memory fail?

You're thinking of the Raven Guard. They're a bit different. For starters, they're black, not white.

**1hadhq**

The Raven Guard was just sneaky enough to infiltrate GW's minds and reap the benefits ( ie HH novel, audiobooks, FW support ) now.

The Iron Hands still have their "special " squad as collector models available.
The White Scars bike upgrade was available too, but I am not sure if it still is.

When we had index astartes, every Legion was supported.Then came traits...
The importance of chapters could depend on gamedesign and BL. But obviously the White Scars had such as the SM decal sheet has WS iconography on it. Raven Guard and Iron Hands? Rather left out. Pre-codex armageddon the Salamanders were in the same boat.
I remember the Day I asked for the correct shade of green to paint some and the ensuing debate.

White Scars have Kor'sarro and may return to the spotlight if they get a chance.