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I understand that Orks find it very un-orky to worship Gork or Mork, but what stops Tzeench or anyone else for that matter, from tricking them into worshiping Chaos?

it's not like they are particularly bright. Granted they have a bit of a mob mentality, and no real spiritual leaders of any kind, but don't Wierdboyz speak to the Mob on behalf of the Gods? shouldn't a failed Psyker test open them to the perils of the warp? Couldn't a Chaos god corrupt a Wierdboy, especially since they don't really seem to follow Ork Kulture to keenly?

Nurgleorks.

The nurgleork example is a bit of a miss, as they did not intentionally start worshipping Nurgle, they just mistook the image on one of his shines as Gork/Mork and this lead to their transformation.

Orks don't really have the despair, excess, or ambition necessary to have them turn to Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch. Really they're the embodiment of Khorne though, war and destruction just for the sake of it. Surprising Khorne has never gotten ahold of them.

It's quite possible, yes. Freebooterz, one of three fabulous Oky background books from Rogue Trader, provided rules for Khorne-worshipping Stormboyz, Ork mutants and Chaos cultists and possessed Weirdboyz. The Realm of Chaos books allowed Ork Chaos Champions too. Worshipping Chaos might seem rather uncharacteristic for an Ork, but then Chaos Champions are liable to be rather exceptional folk.

As in the last fifty thousand threads, Orks have a natural resistance to Chaos. It is virtually unheard of for Orks to turn to Chaos worship; even being corrupted is a rare event that the Orks themselves rarely survive, as their healthier non-corrupted brethren kill them for becoming un-orky.

It is possible, yes, but the only real examples these days are old rogue trader stuff which has long since been retconned.

I believe the explanation was that orks don't get possessed by daemons very often was because they tend to lack a strong imagination, which is what attracts daemons in the first place. Or something like that...I remember that being stated in a White Dwarf a long time ago.

I would not throw the word 'retcon' around quite so carelessly. Chaos-worshipping Orks have not been mentioned since, but I'm unaware of any specific changes to the the Orks' background that would remove any of this material from continuity.

English Assassin wrote:I would not throw the word 'retcon' around quite so carelessly.

I wouldn't go around tossing Rogue Trader fluff around so easily, because that was written long, long ago when EVERYTHING in 40k was dramatically different than it is now. Sisters were basically a police force that hunted down rogue Marine chapters, Marines were basically just humans in power armor (with T3 even!), etc.

Ooh! My point is that 'retcon' implies something rather more deliberate and particular. I challenge you to find a specific statement to the effect that Chaos-worshipping Orks are no longer canon.

Moreover, though there's quite a bit of rubbish in the Rogue Trader rulebook from which Games Workshop have moved on, there have been very few changes to the overall Ork fluff between Waargh! the Orks (1990) and the present Codex.

My source was much more recent. In Rogue Trader the RPG, you can play an Ork.

Unlike humans, Orks don't have corruption points. For the purposes of roleplay, they're completely and utterly immune to the corrupting effects of Chaos. This is even more protection from corruption than being a Blank is, and Blanks can survive direct contact with the swirling maw of the Warp with no negative effects.

Blanks can be corrupted to Chaos, they just can't be corrupted through any warp-powered or psychic means except by far the most powerful ones, such as the most powerful greater daemons or alpha level psykers whose powers are literally so vast that they can overwhelm an untrained Blank's (IE, not a Culexis) negative soul with raw psychic power. So a nurgle Blank could make plenty of sense, for example, as they give in to despair after catching a nurgle-made disease, and come to love daddy nurgle. Orks on the other hand are hard to corrupt through ANY means.

I'd imagine they are extremely rare to the point of not existing because, like the Tau, they are extremely hard to corrupt compared to humans or even Eldar. Why put in the extra effort to corrupt 1 ork when 10 humans can be corrupted with much less work. Although it would be really awesome to have some chaos xenos in game, as i doubt it's impossible.

Dark Eldar= Chaos Xenos?

While not actual chaos worshippers, there is a planet of Orks Khorne keeps around to slaughter when he's bored.

Durza wrote:Dark Eldar= Chaos Xenos?

While not actual chaos worshippers, there is a planet of Orks Khorne keeps around to slaughter when he's bored.

Dark Eldar don't worship chaos so I wouldn't consider them chaos xenos. You can be evil without worshipping chaos.

I believe I read somewhere that a minority of orks worship Khorne casually, ie not giving over their souls for the whole blood for the blood god thing. The problem that Khorne faces with ork worshipers is that they are just naturally war-loving, and probably don't fight with so much anger rather then the belief that they're having a good time.

Best analogy I can think for this, what if it turned out that for other sentient beings wargaming was a corrupting influence, in that others are consumed by bloodlust as their little plastic soldiers fight, and there was even a dark god commanding dark legions of wargammers that had given into their rage. While some of us (probably the more obsessive) might think a god of wargaming was pretty cool, that doesn't mean they would be consumed by their rage as they fought, since we don't see wargaming as something that you get "that" into, and so we would be useless to this dark god of wargaming, but possibly amusing.

It's a weird analogy, I know, but I think it describes the ork opinion of warfare in regards to Khorne pretty well

ORKES IS ENKERRUPPABLE! GORK AND MORK LUAGH AT YER PUNY KAYOS GOTS. ANEE GIT WHO SAYS DIFFENT IS GONNA GET KRUMPT!

Melissia wrote:My source was much more recent. In Rogue Trader the RPG, you can play an Ork.

Unlike humans, Orks don't have corruption points. For the purposes of roleplay, they're completely and utterly immune to the corrupting effects of Chaos. This is even more protection from corruption than being a Blank is, and Blanks can survive direct contact with the swirling maw of the Warp with no negative effects... Orks on the other hand are hard to corrupt through ANY means.

In terms of canon value, Fantasy Flight's roleplaying game is inferior to a Games Workshop-published rulebook, regardless of age. I really don't see why you find the idea so objectionable - both Freebooterz and Slaves to Darkness make the point that Ork Chaos champions are rare, and are (according to the latter) regarded by 'proper' Orks as deviants, regarded with suspicion and ridicule.

I doubt we'll see tabletop rules for them again any time soon, but that's no reason to insist that they've been retroactively been removed from Warhammer 40,000's background.

That first picture posted up there comes from the Daemonhunters codex so they've been written about as late as third edition, though I do think you'll be hard pressed to find any information further, simply because chaos really doesn't fit the orks anymore then they already fit themselves