Large Army breakdown.

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**AustonT**

Not in any competitive sense, but in general: what percentage of a large army say 8000pts should each FOC make up? 20% is the obvious numerical answer but what actually ends up being common?

**Maenus_Rajhana**

I don't know that there is such a thing as "common" at 8k. You're well and truly into Apoc territory at that point. Hell, some armies (Daemons) can't even get that high staying in standard FOC.

If you're going for an Apoc game and are just wondering how much of each to tak, I'd imagine that about 40-60% of the army should be troops, 25-30% FA, 25-30% HS, and 10-20% HQ. Please note that I'm essentially pulling those numbers out of thin air, however.

**Artemo**

I've never played a game that big, but if I did what I'd probably like to do is divide the 8000 points into 3 x 2000 point 'task forces', one for each flank and one for the centre, with standard FOC rules for each, and then dedicate the remaining 2000 to 'support', which could be Apocalypse add-ons or anything really. But that would just be me trying to impose some kind of 'order' on what's essentially a free for all.

**Polonius**

It depends a lot on army, to be honest. Even at 8k, a space marine force insn't likely to include more than 6 tacticals and a few scout squads, while they dig deep into Elites and Heavy.

IG, OTOH, would have a couple of big platoons with heavies, as well as mech vets.

A lot of armies can swap choices to troops with a character (ork and SM bikes, Wraithguard, purifiers and paladins, Deff Dread & nobs, etc)

By 8k, I'd focus first on making sure you've got at least two solid, interesting, 1850pt army lists that are different from each other. Than max out the useful troops, than start doubling up on good elites, fasts, and heavies.

In short, there's no really good answer. Even at 8k, Chaos Marines won't take a lot of fast attack, while IG wont' spend a ton on elites.

**Deadshot**

Artemo wrote:I've never played a game that big, but if I did what I'd probably like to do is divide the 8000 points into 3 x 2000 point 'task forces', one for each flank and one for the centre, with standard FOC rules for each, and then dedicate the remaining 2000 to 'support', which could be Apocalypse add-ons or anything really. But that would just be me trying to impose some kind of 'order' on what's essentially a free for all.

That sonds a lot like a multiple detachment game, but whatever you decide.

**purplefood**

I'd do what Artemo said...

**Deadshot**

I would just do what you can't do in noraml games, and field enough troops to realistically win, while the other 6500pts can go towards the good stuff, the weapons with more power and Dakka than others.

**AustonT**

It IS an army designed primarily for Apoc, and there are redundancies in it that are not meant to be played together. But it is also my goal to have painted by the end of the year, since I laid it out and all the models are physically here.
Without points this is the UNITS I'm looking at with no points cost (it was to cut out for tokens and provide a structure for planning)

I pointed it out today and slashed 4 Razorbacks into 2 rhinos. After I added it all up it splits about 28% Troops 23% HQ 22% Elite 14% Fast Attack 13% HS.

Suffice to say I'm not really looking for LIST advise so much as compositional help. Like if you sat down and built a list based on what you own, and how you play and expanded it to 8k wishlisting what you don't have what would you end up with?

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Looking at wha Artemo said...intentionally or not there's about 3 distinct forces in there.

**AustonT**

Input still sought.

**ZacktheChaosChild**

At 8,000 points, most armies can't play with regards to the FOC.

**Deadshot**

The guy who wrote apocalypse was a firm believer in "bigger is better." Juwst take as much troops as you thuink you neeed to win, and line up your board edge with the stuff you want, using the rule bigger=better. So more shots, higher strength, biger model=better. Walk on the board turn 2 and claim the objectives, while hiding behind the other stuff. On turn 3, advance the big stuff, the troops follow, and move on the rest of the troops to claijm the now vacant objectives. Repeat and claim the objectives further out.

**Sunoccard**

At the apoc level I fin the FOC goes straight out the window. Sure you can attempt to follow it to an extent, but it ultimately comes down to what's available. E.g. I play a chaos list where I feild a large troop count (90 + marines) and have decent HQ Elite and heavy support counts as well. But my fast attack wing is nil (let's face it, when have you seen a fast attack Chaos list?). So I field a heavy list with lots of foot sloggers.