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I mean, reasonably, they must kill them all, right? On the other hand, killing the infirm and children doesn't seem a proppa fight, either. So how does this go down, exactly? Do they enslave them, or eat them, or what?

Little of all of them.

We know that they use slave labor fairly commonly for manufacturing and resource gathering, but we do also know that Orks have a seeming 'code of conduct' where they don't kill the infirm or children.

Gretchin, Squigs, and Grots however...they seem to delight in butchering the weak.

Kanluwen wrote:Little of all of them.

We know that they use slave labor fairly commonly for manufacturing and resource gathering, but we do also know that Orks have a seeming 'code of conduct' where they don't kill the infirm or children.

Gretchin, Squigs, and Grots however...they seem to delight in butchering the weak.

^^^This^^^

No matter how you look at it, the inhabitants of a planet that falls into ork hands are not in for a very pleasant ordeal. The ones who die fighting are probably among the luckiest.

In Gunheads, civillians captured are used as slave labor. Though I'm sure, Kan is right, a little of everything.

They basically become the same level as Grots. a Labor force to do the work and occasionally provide light entertainment by killing them.

hmm... so, in theory, you could get some sort of model (I'\m not even sure if there is one), and use humans as slave "grots" in game? led by a runtherder, of course.

Nice idea, very appropriate and grimdark. Citadel don't offer much in the way of civvy miniatures, but a browse around some other miniature companies or some conversion and greenstuffing of Guard models should find you some suitably ragged-looking PoWs.

Slaves,
Also the orks might fight the humans for fun, cheap entertainment.

All the novels i've read with Orks in them seem to point to them slaughtering every civilian(man, women and children) they find while looting after a fight.

papathrax wrote:hmm... so, in theory, you could get some sort of model (I'\m not even sure if there is one), and use humans as slave "grots" in game? led by a runtherder, of course.

I doubt that they would give slave humans guns and put them out on a battlefield, especially against other human armies, as they would probably turn on their captors and join the other side. I doubt a runtherd with a grabbin' stick would be able to keep 10 men with guns from rebelling in the heat of a battle. They are able to keep the grots in line because the grots want to be there.

Viersche wrote:All the novels i've read with Orks in them seem to point to them slaughtering every civilian(man, women and children) they find while looting after a fight.

That seems kinda off. I'd buy that from DE or Chaos or anyone else malevolent, but I don't find Orks to be malevolent, per se. Violent and destructive, surely. But slaughtering one end of an orphanage to the other just doesn't seem worth the time to do it, for an Ork. Their Kultur would seem that if they aren't worth fightin or lootin, they just ignore it.

For a grot or a snotling, or squigs, though, yeah. So I buy the "some of everything" suggested earlier.

I don't see why they wouldn't slaughter an orphanage. They certainly wouldn't ignore the civvies... Orks are supposed to be indiscrimate, thats part of the reason they don't bother really aiming and behave so wildly. They live for the thrill of fighting and causing destruction.

I mean, don't get me wrong, they wouldn't go OUT OF THEIR WAY to take on an orphanage, but they wouldn't not attack it if they were passing through.

They wouldn't attack an Orphanage deliberatly, if it was between them and da fightin then its toast.

Of course, once the fightin is over they might do some idle slaughter, but it wouldn't be all that fun. They would probably get more of a kick out of pushing the poor souls around and makin em work.

Orks do like shooting though... maybe they could throw some orphans in the air and try to hit them?

Isn't that how the US military does target practice anyway?

jokes.

Let's keep the inflammatory off topic posts for a different forum, please!

Well Here you answers from a codex

That was an interesting read, which edition codex was it from?

3rd I think....

Has anyone read that Armageddon book? I don't remember it, but its a fluff only books (not the campaign book). In it they make orks to be down right genocidal. Even if we take the premise that members of Ork society need a fair fight, there is always an orkoid who is weak or stupid enough to find a civilian to be a fair fight.

Klogger wrote:That was an interesting read, which edition codex was it from?

It's from "Waaargh The Orks!".

MediumYellow wrote:Has anyone read that Armageddon book? I don't remember it, but its a fluff only books (not the campaign book). In it they make orks to be down right genocidal. Even if we take the premise that members of Ork society need a fair fight, there is always an orkoid who is weak or stupid enough to find a civilian to be a fair fight.

Orkish cruelty is only an effect of their lack of empathy for others and their inability to understand (or care) that other races may not be as durable as Orks. They dismiss and treat their human slaves as "runtz" like Gretchin, and in the process maim, kill, or otherwise have a tendency to abuse their slaves to death. An Ork Nob cuffing another Ork across the head as a reprimand may end up killing a human with the same gesture, for example.

Viersche wrote:All the novels i've read with Orks in them seem to point to them slaughtering every civilian(man, women and children) they find while looting after a fight.

This, with enslaving also being a common fate. The Orks are often comic relief and though they are utterly determined to find a "fight", they still slaughter everything in sight when caught up in a Waaagh!. They'd probably just turn their heavy weapons on civilian centers.

The stuff about slaves from the above images is from the very early background books on the Orks: Waaagh! Da Orks and Ere We Go!. It was Rogue Trader-era stuff when the Orks were shown in a more comical/light-hearted manner and were much more civilized then they are now (they even had organized cities). It's pretty outdated now, and current Orks are much more savage/ruthless. They'd never respect a non-greenskin or someone as weak as a slave. Respecting or admiring a slave who is weaker then you is the symbol of un-orky.

I like the idea of orks taking slaves to do manual labor and as advisers. It seems kind of un-orky to have a Warlord spending time going over production output numbers and logistical data.

That and I like the idea of a human chained to a desk some where going over crudely made ork TPS reports, while grumbling that someone took his stapler. (It's red so it staples faster.)

I remember in Rynn's World the orks were burning people alive for the nice sounds of their screams, meanwhile a painboy cunducted live vivesections on unanethesized people. He was wearing someone's face as an operating mask.

As far as i remember the Orks will slaughter the populace depending on the clan (I remember reading Goffs doing this) but in most other cases the populace will be slaves, worked to death by the orks and the weak and infirm are either killed or eaten

Thatguyoverthere wrote:I like the idea of orks taking slaves to do manual labor and as advisers. It seems kind of un-orky to have a Warlord spending time going over production output numbers and logistical data.

That and I like the idea of a human chained to a desk some where going over crudely made ork TPS reports, while grumbling that someone took his stapler. (It's red so it staples faster.)

Gretchin and Mekboyz handle that kind of stuff. Human slaves under Orks don't last very long and are just for manual labor.

Ouze wrote:I mean, reasonably, they must kill them all, right? On the other hand, killing the infirm and children doesn't seem a proppa fight, either. So how does this go down, exactly? Do they enslave them, or eat them, or what?

They kill some of them, they capture some them and use them as slaves or pets.
Don't know what they do to children, mini burger?

English Assassin wrote:Nice idea, very appropriate and grimdark. Citadel don't offer much in the way of civvy miniatures, but a browse around some other miniature companies or some conversion and greenstuffing of Guard models should find you some suitably ragged-looking PoWs.

Or, you can use peasants. They look pretty rough.

Maybe a kit bash with fantasy imperial militia and catachan/cadian?

also... Apologies for anyone that may have been offended by my earlier comment. I'm a jerk.