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If a member of the GW studios has a Leman Russ as a battlewagon in their list, how come people get so bent out of shape if you don't use the GW exclusive variant? If I try to use them as BW's then all people do is b!tch and moan, and I'm not willing to fork over all the cash to get one. I have 3 Leman Russ battle tanks which I could use as wagons with killkannons on'em.

It wouldnt bother me if you decided to use it as a battlewaon.

Although having said that, I would never personally use a leman russ as a battle wagon because the mechanics are all wrong. I mean a battlewagon can fit 22 boyz in it.... a leman russ is a tank designed for 4 -5 people, so the model dosnt fit IMHO. that is also why you see them mostly being used as looted wagons.
On the other hand I dont have a problem with my opponent's using what ever model they want as long as it is recorded with all upgrades on a bit'o paper for reference.

Also on that note IMHO any model Substitue in an Ork army should be actually converted to be as orky as possible.

So I guess you are stuck.

It all depends on the person you are playing.

EDIT: for spelling, and yes I know it is still wrong.

The way I say my looted Leman can carry all those Orks, is they just ride on the outside, Indian train style.

In any case a Kill-Kannon packing BW holds 12 not 22 A non-kill kannon one holds 20 (plus drivers etc )

I have a looted wagon Leman russ that sometimes sees service as a BW.

I think people get bent out of shape because THEIR army can't ork it up with other vehicles

I wouldn't have any objection to Ork players using Leman Russ, Land Raiders, Malcadors or whatever as battlewagons, provided they were converted and painted appropriately.

What I would find objectionable would be a player just plonking down a Leman Russ in Guard regimental colours (or worse yet, grey plastic) and telling me it was looted.

Ascalam wrote:I think people get bent out of shape because THEIR army can't ork it up with other vehicles

You might be onto something there...

The bad moons revel looting an enemy vehicle and using it in the same battle to wreck havoc and confusion behind enemy lines. By the fluff, having a Leman Russ in IG colors is perfectly acceptable.

Although, if you wanted to make it better, you should have a melted off hatch or some horrible battle damage that allowed the orks to get in. The ork kaptin with the imperial hat or a few orks pinned up flat against the back would really make it better.

The LR is a little small for a BW, though.

-cgmckenzie

I myself intend to convert a landraider as a looted Battlewagon as the size makes a bitmore sense.

and I personally believe that all looted vehicles (including battlewaons and trukks) in an ork army should have the "dont press dat" rule but AFAIK only the looted wagons do.

What about a mad rhino conversion for a trukk??

Rhino's are a great conversion for trukks. Go the extra mile and get the FW full kit.

-cgmckenzie

Model size is an issue for some people. A bigger or smaller foot print will affect assaulting out of the wagon and how easy/hard they are to get hit by blast weapons.

I have never put a battlewagon next to a Leman Russ, so I'm not sure about that difference.

There was a tournament earlier this year where someone had some converted some baneblades into battle wagons. I recall there being some discussion about his being able to have an extra couple of inches worth of deployment. I don't think anyone accused him of modeling for advantage since he had made these a years ago (IIRC). Just something to consider.

I have a friend that runs one battlewagon: A looted Baneblade. Took him a month to work on, about a week just filing off all the Imperial Symbols.


And on the GW Website, they have a picture of a Looted Stormraven. I would totally use that as a Battlewagon.

I'd find a middle ground... you can make some orky bitz to sticky tack on so you can just easily pull them off and have normal russ's or orky russ's...

overall though I'd have no problem with un modded russ's as battlewagons, they are clos eenough and it you are using the kill kannon hten even better btu i can see where somebody might complain in a tournament setting

@ Iur_

I would play against it and not have a problem with it. I'm just saying that just because you model something as "looted", don't expect it to fly at every tournament or with every player. Especially if there is an actual model in existence and it doesn't really match that model's footprint.

I would love to have that looted stormraven but would run it nose kicking up dirt or atleast much lower to keep it from flying so high so it can get the possibility of cover. And so when my meganobs disembark they don't make craters they get stuck in. That would ruin my tabletop.

-cgmckenzie

kronk wrote:@ Iur_

I would play against it and not have a problem with it. I'm just saying that just because you model something as "looted", don't expect it to fly at every tournament or with every player. Especially if there is an actual model in existence and it doesn't really match that model's footprint.

The 'footprint' issue is the only one I'd have. Creative hobbycraft? Cool. Budget alternative that's essentially WYSIWYG? No worries. Goblin-sized Nobz, Bike-sized Buggies, Rhino-sized Battlewagons? Hang on a minute.

Actually the current buggies are bike sized..

Personally I have one official one and one Looted Land Raider. IMO the whole point of Orks is modelling unique looking vehicles.

Hey, I say if the OFFICIAL Ork armies of the GW studio (found in the actual Orks section on the GW website) has a list with a Leman Russ being used as a Battlewagon then why would tournament settings even question it. There's even a Deff Dread almost twice the size of the new plastic kit version. Anyhow, the model used was a Leman Russ with a converted kannon on top of it, that's it. Orky and simple. But then come the rule Nazi's. I'm not sure if the army was made before the new battlewagon model came out but I honestly can't see what the big deal is, footprint-wise or not.

if he threw a orky gun on it then game on

another option would be to sticky tack a meck on it doing work to show it is recently looted and a work in progress. the problem with the size people are stating in a tourny setting is completely up to the TO. come might claim modeling for advantage as its easier to get cover saves on a russ than a battlewagon.

I think people are just trying to warn you about that, like I said I have no problem playing it, esp if there's a little convertion done, I love seeing converted ork models more than seein gthe plain jane GW models, also the argument of what is on a GW website can probably help you out in a official setting to some TO but ultimatly people are jsut trying to help and warn ya that not all people will be ok ... there is always the TFG and people trying to get tourny wins due to disqualification ... unfortunate reality :(

I agree with you Boris, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.