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can a unit that is pinned become unpinned when assaulted?

I see nothing that removes the "pinned/gone to ground" status...

Why does it matter?, pinning has no bearing on CC.

Check final paragraph of 'going to ground' (pg24).

If charged, pinned units fight as normal, losing any benefits for cover.


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Oh wow, there's no RAW (I can find) that says if you drive off the chargers you're unpinned. Interesting...

lindsay40k wrote:Check final paragraph of 'going to ground' (pg24).

If charged, pinned units fight as normal, losing any benefits for cover.


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Oh wow, there's no RAW (I can find) that says if you drive off the chargers you're unpinned. Interesting...

I agree, you don't remove go to ground if assaulted.

So, if you go to ground (either voluntarily or by pinning) in the enemy's shooting phase, and then get assaulted in the enemy's assault phase, and wipe out the assaulting unit (or force them to retreat), you will still be unable to act on your turn.

This may be a houserule due to misunderstanding but:

doesn't it say somewhere under Compulsory Movement that any compulsory movement (such as falling back, pile-in moves, etc) remove Gone to Ground unless it says otherwise (like BT Righteous Zeal)?

Rulebook just says you remove go to ground if you break, nothing about if you drive off chargers...

The FaQ addresses that issue and they will return to mormal if they are forced to make a pile-in move


Q: If a unit that has gone to ground is then forced to
move, other than to fall back, do they return to normal
or still count as having gone to ground? (p24)
A: They will return to normal

Found Here

FAQ p2 says if you're forced to move, you lose gone to ground. Rulebook p34 says if you're assaulted, you must react (by moving). So, though it's not explicitly stated, the rules as followed mean you unpin the moment you move a model to meet the charge.

Of course, if the charge engages every member of the unit, there's no move, so RAW still leave you pinned in that situation...

AH! That's the compulsory movement rule. If the models are FORCED to move (i.e. compulsory) then they are no longer G2G!

lindsay40k wrote:FAQ p2 says if you're forced to move, you lose gone to ground. Rulebook p34 says if you're assaulted, you must react (by moving). So, though it's not explicitly stated, the rules as followed mean you unpin the moment you move a model to meet the charge.

Of course, if the charge engages every member of the unit, there's no move, so RAW still leave you pinned in that situation...

Does it really matter? If they don't have to move for Defenders React, then they will invariably have to move at some point during that assault phase (Pile In, Consolidation, Fall Back) or will be locked in combat for long enough that the effects of GtG will have worn off by the time they get to move next. Net result is the same.

Cheexsta wrote:

lindsay40k wrote:FAQ p2 says if you're forced to move, you lose gone to ground. Rulebook p34 says if you're assaulted, you must react (by moving). So, though it's not explicitly stated, the rules as followed mean you unpin the moment you move a model to meet the charge.

Of course, if the charge engages every member of the unit, there's no move, so RAW still leave you pinned in that situation...

Does it really matter? If they don't have to move for Defenders React, then they will invariably have to move at some point during that assault phase (Pile In, Consolidation, Fall Back) or will be locked in combat for long enough that the effects of GtG will have worn off by the time they get to move next. Net result is the same.

Except that consolidation is completely voluntary. So technically if you've gone to ground, and the enemy manages to get base to base with every one of your models (so that none of your models are forced to make a "Defenders React" move), and you win combat and all enemies flee/get swept/are wiped out, you cannot make a consolidation move and are still gone to ground. Weird.

Bugs_N_Orks wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:

lindsay40k wrote:FAQ p2 says if you're forced to move, you lose gone to ground. Rulebook p34 says if you're assaulted, you must react (by moving). So, though it's not explicitly stated, the rules as followed mean you unpin the moment you move a model to meet the charge.

Of course, if the charge engages every member of the unit, there's no move, so RAW still leave you pinned in that situation...

Does it really matter? If they don't have to move for Defenders React, then they will invariably have to move at some point during that assault phase (Pile In, Consolidation, Fall Back) or will be locked in combat for long enough that the effects of GtG will have worn off by the time they get to move next. Net result is the same.

Except that consolidation is completely voluntary. So technically if you've gone to ground, and the enemy manages to get base to base with every one of your models (so that none of your models are forced to make a "Defenders React" move), and you win combat and all enemies flee/get swept/are wiped out, you cannot make a consolidation move and are still gone to ground. Weird.

Yes, it's voluntary, but I don't think there's anything to suggest that you're completely prevented from consolidating as a result.

Bugs_N_Orks wrote:Except that consolidation is completely voluntary. So technically if you've gone to ground, and the enemy manages to get base to base with every one of your models (so that none of your models are forced to make a "Defenders React" move), and you win combat and all enemies flee/get swept/are wiped out, you cannot make a consolidation move and are still gone to ground. Weird.

Ah, you are right. I had misremembered consolidation as being a compulsory move.

Still, the situation seems to be very rare, but it seems to be possible.