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hows this for an army list?
Dante

Mephiston

12x Tactical Squad plus Rihno transport

5x Sanguinary Guard

2x Assault Marines

1x Furioso Dreadnought with blood talons

1x Land Speeder with Assault Cannon and Heavy Bolter

1x Baal Predator with heavy flamers and Flamestorm cannon

With blood angels I would drop the tactical marines, the land speeder and dante. Either completly drop Dante or swap him for the sangunour.Get another predator or two and how many points is each unit and how many marines are in the assault sqauds ?

Tactical squads can work with blood angels just not that many lists that can.

Can you write the list more clearly please?

Your stuff doesn't work together at all well. I.e. two tanks, one lonely speeder, etc.

Mretch this is my first proper army list so its not gonna be perfect is it?

willybob23 wrote:Mretch this is my first proper army list so its not gonna be perfect is it?

I dunno my first was wrote out correctly so you should have read the forum posting rules. And what do you mean by to assault marines do you mean 2 or 2 sqauds and if 2 sqauds how many per sqaud and whats their load out on the sargent and such.

Fine 12 tactical squad with rhino.
Does this mean 10 men in a rhino. Armed with flamer +missile + (chainsword+Bp) on the serg.

The better you explain yourself the better others can help .

hows this then?


1 Land Raider

1 Razorback

2 Dreadnoughts

9 tactical marines

1 marine with flamer

1 marine with plasma gun

1 marine with plasma cannon

1 marine with melta gun

2 marines with rocket launchers

1 sergeant with chainsword

1 librarian

1 veteran

1 assault marine

1 assault commander with power weapon

1 bike

1 chaplain on bike

1 apothecary


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Or shall i just start by purchasing the assualt on black reach set?

willybob23 wrote:hows this then?

9 tactical marines

1 marine with flamer

1 marine with plasma gun

1 marine with plasma cannon

1 marine with melta gun

2 marines with rocket launchers

1 sergeant with chainsword

You can't have all this in one sqaud. Tac sqauds are limited to 9 marines + 1 sargent. And you can have two replacement weapons e.g. x2 melta guns. Not 7 with upgraded weapons. Also you still have not included points of units and is still hard to read. Here is a small quick list I wrote to show you how to set a list out and write it so it is neat and easy to understand. I am not an expert and I could write a better list but this should be a decent list for the time I took.

HQ
Mephiston Lord of Death-250pts

Troops
Assault Sqaud 1- 7 Assault Marines + 2 Assault Marines with Melta-Guns + Sargent with Powerfist- 235pts
Assault Sqaud 2- 7 Assault Marines + 2 Assault Marines with Melta-Guns + Sargent with Thunder Hammer- 245pts
Assault Sqaud 3- 3 Assault Marines + 1 Assault Marine with Flamer+ Sargent with Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon + Razorback with TL Plasma Gun and LC-190pts

Elites
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Assault Squad 3)- Lightning Claw, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack-110pts
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Assault Sqaud 1)- Lightning Claw, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack-110pts
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Assault Sqaud 2)- Lightning Claw, Bolt Pistol, Jump Pack-90pts

Heavy Support
Predator-Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons, Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter, Extra Armour-160pts
Predator-Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter-110pts

Total-1500pts


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But I don't know about the assault on black reach I was thinking of doing the same to start Blood Angels so I would ask someone else or see if any one else comments and awnsers your question,

The biggest piece of advice I can give you is to not base your Blood Angels army around the AoBR set or the BA Battleforce. Both of those sets include Tactical Marines, which you should not be using.

Good BA armies are built around Assault Marines as Troops.


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redkeyboard wrote:

HQ
Mephiston Lord of Death-250pts

Troops
Assault Sqaud 1- 7 Assault Marines + 2 Assault Marines with Melta-Guns + Sargent with Powerfist- 235pts
Assault Sqaud 2- 7 Assault Marines + 2 Assault Marines with Melta-Guns + Sargent with Thunder Hammer- 245pts
Assault Sqaud 3- 3 Assault Marines + 1 Assault Marine with Flamer+ Sargent with Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon + Razorback with TL LC -190pts

Elites
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Assault Squad 3)- Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack-110pts
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Mephiston)- Lightning Claw, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack-110pts
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Mephiston)- Bolt Pistol, Power Sword, Jump Pack-90pts

Heavy Support
Predator-Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons, Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter, Extra Armour-160pts
Predator-Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter-110pts

Total-1500pts

Your plan to run Sanguinary Priests with Mephiston won't work. Mephiston is not an Independent Character, he is an infantry unit that always consists of a single model. Therefore, he may no join or be joined by Independent Characters.

Besides, he can always be singled out in CC, and he doesn't really benefit that much from FC or FNP. Anything that isn't AP1-2 isn't going to be wounding him often enough to be a serious concern. For example, it would take 72 Lasgun shots on average to cause him a wound without FNP, or 54 Bolter shots. There simply isn't much point to an opponent shooting him with anything that won't bypass his armor, in which case FNP isn't helping.

MrEconomics wrote:The biggest piece of advice I can give you is to not base your Blood Angels army around the AoBR set or the BA Battleforce. Both of those sets include Tactical Marines, which you should not be using.

Good BA armies are built around Assault Marines as Troops.


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redkeyboard wrote:

HQ
Mephiston Lord of Death-250pts

Troops
Assault Sqaud 1- 7 Assault Marines + 2 Assault Marines with Melta-Guns + Sargent with Powerfist- 235pts
Assault Sqaud 2- 7 Assault Marines + 2 Assault Marines with Melta-Guns + Sargent with Thunder Hammer- 245pts
Assault Sqaud 3- 3 Assault Marines + 1 Assault Marine with Flamer+ Sargent with Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon + Razorback with TL LC -190pts

Elites
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Assault Squad 3)- Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack-110pts
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Mephiston)- Lightning Claw, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack-110pts
Sanguinary Priest (Goes With Mephiston)- Bolt Pistol, Power Sword, Jump Pack-90pts

Heavy Support
Predator-Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons, Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter, Extra Armour-160pts
Predator-Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter-110pts

Total-1500pts

Your plan to run Sanguinary Priests with Mephiston won't work. Mephiston is not an Independent Character, he is an infantry unit that always consists of a single model. Therefore, he may no join or be joined by Independent Characters.

Besides, he can always be singled out in CC, and he doesn't really benefit that much from FC or FNP. Anything that isn't AP1-2 isn't going to be wounding him often enough to be a serious concern. For example, it would take 72 Lasgun shots on average to cause him a wound without FNP, or 54 Bolter shots. There simply isn't much point to an opponent shooting him with anything that won't bypass his armor, in which case FNP isn't helping.

In that case I would just take the other two priests with the other two assault sqauds. And thanks for the advice about not to give him FNP you are right I forgot that FNP would be usless against anything that can bypass his armour.

ok thanks for your help anyone could anyone write me an army List based around fast moving vehicles and fast moving troups that include sanguinary guard because i already have some of them?

cheers

Here's my advice: Go out and buy the codex, then go out and buy the rulebook. Read them both very carefully so you actually understand what is and is not allowed, then build your own 1500 point list. Only then should you be posting here asking for help.

Can't teach you to run if you don't know how to walk.

Or download a PDF for the meantime and build a list but still buy the codex soon so you know don't get a pdf if you have no intention of buying the actual codex. But I'm not fimiliar with the sanguinary gaurd so I cannot help you there but, the list I just wrote is pretty decent when it comes to fast moving troops.

right i think ill just buy the battleforce and buy 10 jump packs to turn the tac marines into jump marines how does that sound?

willybob23 wrote:right i think ill just buy the battleforce and buy 10 jump packs to turn the tac marines into jump marines how does that sound?

You would also need to buy extra chainswords and stuff as there wont be enough to convert them all. So providing you can get them the weapons and packs for cheap it should work. But you would be left with a rhino. When buying rhinos never buy one get the razorbazk instead as it comes with all the rhino sprues as well as the extra razorback one so you can swap between the two and they both cost £20.50 to buy from gw. Also what about a HQ the battleforce doesn't have 1. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40K-BLOOD-ANGELS-BOLT-PISTOLS-/130578882769?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item1e671ba0d1 that is the link to bolt pistols on ebay if the tac marine sprues don't have them on im not sure they might though but there is only 4 bolt pistols in that auction. Here is an auction for 5 chainswords too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40K-BLOOD-ANGELS-CHAINSWORDS-/130578882743?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item1e671ba0b7 enough to convert half of them. Weapons for seargents you can buy them off ebay just type in 'blood angels' and scroll through the auctions there will be power fists for £1.00 buy it now then the postage. Doing what you say about the battle force will put you at around £80. Buying it seperatly with assault marine boxes will put you at about £100 including death company and a razorback instead of the rhino so you wwill be better off getting the battle force and converting I think and you may be able to get a cheap razorback sprue if your lucky, Also I recomend getting army builder not the full thing just install it and run the demo mode and write down the units then once you have made 3 units and wrote them down with there points, make a new roster but instead of a 1500pt limit subtract the 3 sqauds from your first roster off 1500 and what ever you get is the points limit for this roster. Keep doing this untill you have completed your army list.

any one know where you can find a pdf that isnt bugged?

kellymatthew37 wrote:any one know where you can find a pdf that isnt bugged?

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right this is it!


1 stormraven with twin linked plasma cannon, 12 storm bolters, typhoon missile launcher, and the ap 1 rockets

1 furioso dreadnought with 2 power fists/ one flamer and one storm bolter

1 furioso dreadnought with 2 power claws

Ball predator w/ heavy flamer and flamers and a storm bolter

10 tac marines w/ bolters and a rocket launcher and flame thrower

10 assualt marines with a power fist

5 sanguinary guard with a melta and plasma pistol

Dante

Brother corbulo

willybob23 wrote:
10 tac marines w/ bolters and a rocket launcher and flame thrower

I assume that as you are using tactical marines you already have them and dont want to buy another assault marine box.

yes, what do you think to that army list?

willybob23 wrote:right this is it!


1 stormraven with twin linked plasma cannon, 12 storm bolters, typhoon missile launcher, and the ap 1 rockets

1 furioso dreadnought with 2 power fists/ one flamer and one storm bolter

1 furioso dreadnought with 2 power claws

Ball predator w/ heavy flamer and flamers and a storm bolter

10 tac marines w/ bolters and a rocket launcher and flame thrower

10 assualt marines with a power fist

5 sanguinary guard with a melta and plasma pistol

Dante

Brother corbulo

Well as far as I know Brother Corbulo is a good choice. Also I don't have any experience with stormravens but many people say have 2 stormravens or don't have any. So with the exra 200pts i would try to fit in another sanguinary guard unit as if you don't use them as troops there is no point in using Dante. But other than that it looks like a good list except from you dont have any way of transporting the tac marines and you realy need a transport as floot slogging troops are just to slow. I assume that the assault marines have jump packs.

I waa going to put the tac marines and the furioso dreadnought with power claws in the stormraven!


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and brother curbolo is going with the tactical marines

willybob23 wrote:I waa going to put the tac marines and the furioso dreadnought with power claws in the stormraven!


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In that case it should be fine do you have all these models now if so then try it and see how it goes if not find a friend that will be willing to let you proxy to try it out.

are terminators worth using in blood angels lists? Cheers

Yes terminators can be very good. I just saw a battle report today and in a 1500pt list he was using 5 assault terminators in a landraider with a chaplain and sanguinary priest i think here is the link to it http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/warhammer-40k-batrep-blood-angels-vs-chaos-part-15

redkeyboard wrote:Yes terminators can be very good. I just saw a battle report today and in a 1500pt list he was using 5 assault terminators in a landraider with a chaplain and sanguinary priest i think here is the link to it http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/warhammer-40k-batrep-blood-angels-vs-chaos-part-15

I would not draw any strong conclusions based on this battle report. The Blood Angels player has a terrible list, and has made some stupid choices. Do not mix Jump Pack marines with vehicles.

If you want to take Terminators, TH/SS is the way to go.

MrEconomics wrote:

redkeyboard wrote:Yes terminators can be very good. I just saw a battle report today and in a 1500pt list he was using 5 assault terminators in a landraider with a chaplain and sanguinary priest i think here is the link to it http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/warhammer-40k-batrep-blood-angels-vs-chaos-part-15

I would not draw any strong conclusions based on this battle report. The Blood Angels player has a terrible list, and has made some stupid choices. Do not mix Jump Pack marines with vehicles.

If you want to take Terminators, TH/SS is the way to go.

Well yeah he is not the best because that was only his second game with Blood Angels and I know he isn't the best so i would go to to jawwaballs blog if you want good lists he is the blood angels expert . Just look around and fing the army lists section.

ok thanks for your help redkeyboard i really appreciate it

Honestly its no problem. I'm glad I could help.


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Oh one quick question what gaming club do you got to?

I am going to get Blood Angels soon, not sure what list to get yet but yours seems okay but i'm sure the other people who have posted (above) no more than me so read there posts.

I do like the Rhino transport though. Effective in battle.