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Hi all

I think this is one pretty nasty IG list i have reached! What do you think?

HQ
CCS w/ 4 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (145)
CCS w/ 4 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (145)

TROOPS
Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (155)
Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (155)

Platoon 1 (345)
- PCS w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)

Platoon 2 (345)
- PCS w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)

FAST
Vendetta (130)
Vendetta (130)

HEAVY
2 x Hydra (150)
2 x Hydra (150)
2 x Hydra (150)

TOTAL: 2000


It has enough armour to overwhelm the opponent, and lots of redundancy.
10 chimera squads w/ meltas (thats 24 meltaguns, in 10 different squads, and 8 scoring mobile troop units). That amounts to a scary amount of heavy flamer, meltagun and tank shock + blocking love. 30 multilaser shots on the distance/while moving in, and 3 hydra squads and 2 vendettas for substantial long range fire support.

I think this army has an answer to pretty much anything (in a TAC competitive environment), though i might be wrong...?
I might consider changing some/all of the hydra squads for single manticores, or maybe drop one hydra squad for a third vendetta, but i think i prefer the list as it is, though only testing will show (i mean options like: 2 vends + 6 hydras, 2 vends + 3 manties, 3 vends + 2 manties, 3 vends + 4 hydras)

So what do you think? Is this a great TAC list or not? What would you do against it, and what match-ups do you think will pose problems for my list?

So.... dakka thinks its perfect? Or doesnt think it works at all... or?
BUMP

It's just pretty much a standard mech guard list though they usually cut out a hydra squad and put something in the vendettas or take a leman russ or two.

you also run flamers on your infantry chimeras where most will take heavy bolters and an autocannon instead of a melta to make it a sitting gunboat rather than a meltawagon, one meltagun without orders is not very reliable.

It's OK, but it lacks the high quality up-close ROF to really dish out pain to armies like Deathwing that can deep strike in your face, then multiassault your parking lot in the following turn.


Your reliable anti AV-14 is restricted to meltaguns only. In other words, anything AV14 is going to get a T2 assault on you. This list needs some Manticores. Hydras are good but not good enough to warrant loading up the entirety of your HS slots with them.

Hi Grundz and Nuggz. Thank you for your replies!

I think im gonna listen to the advice of both of you and change my list to the following, incorporatnig 4x "dakka chimera" (heavy bolter, multilaser, autocannon) and 2 manticores. As I can see that it gives my list some more varied options/possibilities.

HQ
CCS w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (135)
CCS w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (135)

TROOPS
Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (155)
Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (155)

Platoon 1 (345)
- PCS w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Autocannon, Chimera w/ Hull Heavy Bolter (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Autocannon, Chimera w/ Hull Heavy Bolter (115)

Platoon 2 (345)
- PCS w/ 3 x Meltagun, Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Autocannon, Chimera w/ Hull Heavy Bolter (115)
- Infantry Squad w/ 1 x Autocannon, Chimera w/ Hull Heavy Bolter (115)

FAST
Vendetta (130)
Vendetta (130)

HEAVY
2 x Hydra w/ Hull Heavy Bolter (150)
Manticore w/ Heavy Flamer (160)
Manticore w/ Heavy Flamer (160)

TOTAL: 2000

Personally, I hate empty transport space. I would toss a PIS with a flamer in each vendetta just to make them scoring for end game objective grabbing.

I would normally use my PCS with quad flamers for this task (for a total of 50pts), but I can see that you may want them as a cheap Vet replacement, thus the PIS suggestion.

Quick question... why don't you have a 4th melta in your PCS? The PSC /really/ needs a 4th one for the volley to get a chance to hit consistantly. I also don't know why you don't have the 4th Melta on the CCSs either.

And as much as I hate GLs, I can totally see them fitting in on this for your special weapon slot on those PISs.

Just feels like a waste to see those empty special weapon slots.

Well i agree BlkTom, id love to have 4x melta on the CCS and PCS squads, the only reason they are not there is i CANT find a place to lose the 40pts for them.
Where would you suggest i save 40 pts for the 4x extra meltas?

And same goes for and extra 2x PIS (or two SWS) to transport in the vendettas... What to lose to get points for that?
I dont think they are really needed, as i can still, if situation merits it, have 1-2 squads (be it vets, PCS, PIS, CCS) fly around in the vendettas (for objectve claiming, for for a alpha strike-scout-move-vendetta melta-assault, or for whatever other reason).

I agree GLs on the "dakka-chim" PIS squads wouldnt be a bad idea, but lack the points...

Lose the Chimeras from two PISs, drop the ACs for flamers and mount them in the Vendettas. This should give you 120pts.

After you pay for the Meltas you have 80pts left over.

You can get 8 plasma pistols for the Vets, PCS, CCS and your two assault PISs to give them a little added punch. If you don't want to give it to the assault PIS, buy two heavy stubbers to go on your two camping 'dakka-chims' used by your other two PISs.

I like the list. Only a couple points.

1) at 2000 points you are going to start seeing some of the big stuff on the table. Without low AP high str blasts you are going to have a hard time dealing with death stars.

PBS and a medusa can fix that problem, but you are going to have a hard time getting a medusa in your list with out changing it drastically.

Yeah id like to get a medusa in there. Love those tanks. They look so sweet too (the forgeworld enclosed one is too cool imo!).

Well i could just switch the hydras for a medusa...? Though i like the hydras too. And really want the longrange antitransport fire.

Dont you think the manticores are pretty good for deathstar control as well? I know they lack AP but still D3 s10 pie plates from each one can make up for that (and people will often get cover saves any ways). At least the s10 will still insta-gib anything plus deny FNP saves and wound-allocation plays.

A PBS would be easier to include in a way, i could just swap a vets squad for it. Something to consider!

ps. this is an army im still in the process of building, so im so glad for all the good suggestions, i also want to build a somewhat bigger force (i like to paint the force and keep it forever!) with lots of options, so i surely wanna have a medusa (maybe two) as well as a PBS.

I would just go with 1 platoon with a powerblob and HWT on foot. (Give a Chimera to PCS) And the rest as Veterans.
Sitting in Chimeras is not really the platoon's strength.

Jackster wrote:I would just go with 1 platoon with a powerblob and HWT on foot. (Give a Chimera to PCS) And the rest as Veterans.
Sitting in Chimeras is not really the platoon's strength.

Darkwynn's leaf blower list would disagree with you. He was more then just effective with chimera mounted IS with AC spam. I feel this is a sound tactic, and proven to work over and over. But I do agree, its not my flavor of IG. I think he is on a good path so I don’t feel its necessary to push for a rebuild.

I mean no offence jackster, a power blob would work well in many situations but I feel it would call for a rebuild of the list

Well i agree komosunder, that going the powerblob is a big change, and feels, at least to me, like outside of my concept/thinking.
Still gives me something to think about, and its something i WILL try (its just getting a commisar and throwing two chimeras off the table, lol, thats what i like about IG so many options, and even options where you dont have to swap your entire army

Could you tell me more of Darkwynn's army? Sounds interesting

I find the manticores to be quite underwhelming against a competent enemy, although, you'll find out for yourself soon enough. Ignore those telling you to totally change your list. Good luck and have fun!

Your second list is already good, I'd ignore major changes like going powerblob as it is a big change from your original idea and would require different tactics. If you want to go all mechanized then go all out.

Though your list is lacking on the AP side the sheer amount of guns would force your opponent to fail his rolls plus your opponent would have a hard time dealing with 16 vehicles.

Also, is it necessary to get 2 CCS? wouldn't it be better to either get another Vendetta to give you more redundancy or another Fast attack slot instead.

I would love to see some battle reports on how your list goes.

LoM, your second list is solid. Roll with it. Maybe drop a command squad and add one more vendetta? Bring the pain. I like squad level HW in chimeras.

@ Byte and h0r0: Thank you.
Yeah i also feel that my second list is now quite solid. And i agree that changing a CCS for a 3rd vendetta is the most alluring change!

I look forward to testing it out, will see if i can do a few battle reports then.
this weekend im gonna bring my good old mechdar, though in a new format (with 9 walkers).


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@Barksdale : what would you yourself swap the manticores for, if you find them underwhelming? a couple of hydra + third vendetta or?