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Hi everyone

I've been looking through my Dark Eldar codex and was checking my HQ entries and came upon the Haemoculi section, thought I might make a profile since I've begun to make two and I'm a bit confused about the amount of weapons a Haemonculi can have. Is it just limitd to a ranged and close combat weapon or can I have two CC weapons.

you have a pistol and a ccw that you can replace with any of the items in the section above arcane wargear

I would disagree with the last post. The CCW and pistol can be replaced with the wargear in that list, venom blade, power weapon, agonizer, etc. The arcane wargear list is separate. That's why GW made the Haemonculi with four arms. You still can only ever use one special close combat weapon, shoot one item per turn, etc. So if you have Haemonculi with agonizer, splinter pistol, liquifier gun and shattershard, you can choose to shoot the pistol, liquifier gun, or shattershard in the shooting phase, and then use the agonizer w/pistol (=extra CCW weapon) in close combat.

Haemonculi give you a lot of options.

eldaraddict is correct on all points.
Haemonculus can replace the pistol and/or ccw and may take up to 2 pieces of arcane wargear.
This abitlity, along with a relatively low point cost and starting the game with a pain token makes them a very attractive HQ choice.

time wizard wrote:eldaraddict is correct on all points.
Haemonculus can replace the pistol and/or ccw and may take up to 2 pieces of arcane wargear.
This abitlity, along with a relatively low point cost and starting the game with a pain token makes them a very attractive HQ choice.

I'm running two who both have Web Way Portals and an assortment of close combat war-gear to go with their Incubus body guards.

eldaraddict wrote:I would disagree with the last post.

Um...

Lightcavalier wrote:you have a pistol and a ccw that you can replace with any of the items in the section above arcane wargear

I think you misread what he said...

I stand corrected. Your are right. I didn't catch the 'above'. Thanks.

I have been trying 2 venom blades on my Haemonculi, and have liked the results. Usually 2 venom blades and a liquifier gun. Cheap and effective. Just kinda hard to find-right handed swords. Two left-handed work, buts looks a bit weird.

What's the point of 2 venom blades? Last I checked a single venom blade and a pistol nets the same result. For the same points you'd be better off using a Venom Blade and a Stinger Pistol, or for 5 points less, just a venom blade and splinter pistol.

Liquifier Gun for amazing flamery goodness, Venom Blade if you want those 2+ Poison attacks, Stinger Pistol if you want 2+ on range.

I like adding a Hex Rifle for range, giggles and cos hex rifles are cool.

Ovion wrote:What's the point of 2 venom blades? Last I checked a single venom blade and a pistol nets the same result. For the same points you'd be better off using a Venom Blade and a Stinger Pistol, or for 5 points less, just a venom blade and splinter pistol.

Liquifier Gun for amazing flamery goodness, Venom Blade if you want those 2+ Poison attacks, Stinger Pistol if you want 2+ on range.

I like adding a Hex Rifle for range, giggles and cos hex rifles are cool.

agreed, hex rifles are cool... have been wondering, do you guys reckon taking a squad of three Haemonculi would allow for three hex rifles in a unit? i cant myself see anything stopping this

Haemonculi do not form units per se when you buy them for your list. I mean, you could take three Haemonculi, and make them all form a unit with one another at some point in the game, I guess....

Do you mean if you took 3 haemys with HRs you'd have a 3shot unit of snipers?

Yes it would, as they're all ICs and can join whatever at deployment, including each other or being on their own.

Hell, you could take 6 Haems and 2 squads of 3 Wracks with an acothyst and a HR for 2 squads of 4, or 1 squad of 7

Ovion wrote:Do you mean if you took 3 haemys with HRs you'd have a 3shot unit of snipers?

Yes it would, as they're all ICs and can join whatever at deployment, including each other or being on their own.

Hell, you could take 6 Haems and 2 squads of 3 Wracks with an acothyst and a HR for 2 squads of 4, or 1 squad of 7

makes sense, i forgot they are all IC's cause they can be in a unit of 3... 3 hex rifles it is
this could be funny (:

4. 4 Hex Rifles.

3x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 195pts.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55pts.

4 Hex Rifle marksman squad w/ 2 meat shields = 250pts.

For an extra 60pts - +1 Meatshield, +4 Liquifier Gun.
For an extra 80pts - +1 Raider w/ Night Shields + Flickerfield.

It's a bit of a points sink, but for all of 390pts you get 4 Hex Rifles, 4 Liquifier Guns and a Dark Lance, in a gunboat (giving an effective range of 42" with the rifles) with a 6 inch reduction of enemy range and a 5+ invun.

Oooor
2x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 130pts.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55pts.
1x Venom w/ Splinter Cannon = 65pts
= 3 hex rifles and 2 splinter cannons in a boat w/ 5+ invun for 250.
It amuses me.

Ovion wrote:4. 4 Hex Rifles.

3x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 195pts.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55pts.

4 Hex Rifle marksman squad w/ 2 meat shields = 250pts.

For an extra 60pts - +1 Meatshield, +4 Liquifier Gun.
For an extra 80pts - +1 Raider w/ Night Shields + Flickerfield.

It's a bit of a points sink, but for all of 390pts you get 4 Hex Rifles, 4 Liquifier Guns and a Dark Lance, in a gunboat (giving an effective range of 42" with the rifles) with a 6 inch reduction of enemy range and a 5+ invun.

Oooor
2x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 130pts.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55pts.
1x Venom w/ Splinter Cannon = 65pts
= 3 hex rifles and 2 splinter cannons in a boat w/ 5+ invun for 250.
It amuses me.

Doesn't seem like something I'd use, any way here are my Haemonculi profiles;

Haemonculus: Vein: 110pts
• Haemonculi base cost: 50pts
• Stringer Pistol: 5pts
• Flesh Gauntlet: 20pts
• Webway portal: 35pts

Haemonculus: Artery: 110pts
• Haemonculi base cost: 50pts
• Stringer Pistol: 5pts
• Venom Blade: 5pts
• Hex Rifle: 15pts
• Webway Portal: 35pts

(You aren't allowed to put exact points values in only totals)

Ooooh, I'm probably going to do it for the sheer amusement of the whole thing
INFACT:
2x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 130.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55.
1x Venom w/ Splinter Cannon = 65.
= 250.

2x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 130.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55.
1x Venom w/ Splinter Cannon = 65.
= 250.

That's your 1 HQ and 2 Troops dealt with, for 500pts = BAM 500pt list.

1x Haem w/ Venom Blade and Liquifier Gun = 65.
10x Grotesques w/ Liquifier Gun w/ Aberration w/ Scissorhand = 385.
= 450.

1x Haem w/ Venom Blade and Liquifier Gun = 65.
10x Grotesques w/ Liquifier Gun w/ Aberration w/ Scissorhand = 385.
= 450.

+ the prior = 1400 pts.
Throw in a neat Talos that's 1500pts.

Up it to 3 Talos w/ TL Liquifier Gun and TL Haywire Blaster and it's 1730 - yay 1750pt list

Infact for 1500 I'm sure I could fit the 2 sniper squads, 2 lots of 4 grots in raiders and the 3 loaded talos'

Must do this for giggles at some point.

blood reaper wrote:
Haemonculus: Vein: 110pts
• Haemonculi base cost
• Stringer Pistol
• Flesh Gauntlet
• Webway portal

Haemonculus: Artery: 110pts
• Haemonculi base cost
• Stringer Pistol
• Venom Blade
• Hex Rifle
• Webway Portal

I'd change these to:
Haemonculus: Vein: 100pts
• Haemonculi base cost
• Venom Blade
• Liquifier Gun
• Webway portal

Haemonculus: Artery: 105pts
• Haemonculi base cost
• Venom Blade
• Hex Rifle
• Webway Portal

Flesh Gauntlets are kind of a waste, especially for their cost I mean you get an agoniser for the same price which is way better.
I liked the idea when I first saw it, but there's so many better ways to end multiwound characters in the DE army than a poisoned weapon that can cause instant death. The agoniser being a power weapon that wounds on a 4+ is better by far.

I like the Liquifier idea and I've been modeling some Haemonculi for bigger games with Agonisers, so I'll try them out when I can.

Ovion wrote:(You aren't allowed to put exact points values in only totals)

Ooooh, I'm probably going to do it for the sheer amusement of the whole thing
INFACT:
2x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 130.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55.
1x Venom w/ Splinter Cannon = 65.
= 250.

2x Haem w/ Hex Rifle = 130.
3x Wrack w/ Acothyst w/ Hex Rifle = 55.
1x Venom w/ Splinter Cannon = 65.
= 250.

That's your 1 HQ and 2 Troops dealt with, for 500pts = BAM 500pt list.

1x Haem w/ Venom Blade and Liquifier Gun = 65.
10x Grotesques w/ Liquifier Gun w/ Aberration w/ Scissorhand = 385.
= 450.

1x Haem w/ Venom Blade and Liquifier Gun = 65.
10x Grotesques w/ Liquifier Gun w/ Aberration w/ Scissorhand = 385.
= 450.

+ the prior = 1400 pts.
Throw in a neat Talos that's 1500pts.

Up it to 3 Talos w/ TL Liquifier Gun and TL Haywire Blaster and it's 1730 - yay 1750pt list

Infact for 1500 I'm sure I could fit the 2 sniper squads, 2 lots of 4 grots in raiders and the 3 loaded talos'

Must do this for giggles at some point.

working on something similar,
3 HR's from 2 haem and 1 acothyst in a raider w/ D-cannon, 5+, night field

5 trueborn w/ 2 d-lances in raider w/ d-lance, 5+, night field

2x 10 wyches w/nets ,agoniser + blast pistol in raider w/ D-cannon, 5+, night field

6 blood brides w/ nets + archon w/ husk blade + clone field in raider with D-cannon, 5+, night shields

2x Ravager w/ 3 dark lances, 5+, Night field

1x ravager w/ d-cannons, 5+, Night field

(a very rough list)... any thoughts?
also, any ideas on what the hex rifles might look like?

A very thin and long Splinter Rifle, a in-built sight and symbols carved into it's barrel. However I'm simply thinning down a Splinter Rifle and you must have three Wracks to field a squad. Not just the leader.

blood reaper wrote:A very thin and long Splinter Rifle, a in-built sight and symbols carved into it's barrel. However I'm simply thinning down a Splinter Rifle and you must have three Wracks to field a squad. Not just the leader.

sounds cool to me, might modify a splinter cannon, just for more impressive looks, and yeah i know, just couldn't be bothered to type it since it was mentioned above already, but thanks for the help anyway

i know this isn't the correct forum and such, before anyone points that out, but any thoughts on the list? anyone recommend any changes?

They do infact look like this:


However - I am buying 2 lots of these:

http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=123&category_id=24

to use.

I'm also using Dryads as Haemys. cos it's a TON cheaper (cost of 2 finecast haems you get a box of 12 dryads that make fantastic haems. Also I use them as Grots :3)

I will be using Mantic's Skeletons, they fit the background of my army and are really cheap and in large numbers and don't seem difficult to modify.

Ovion wrote:Do you mean if you took 3 haemys with HRs you'd have a 3shot unit of snipers?

Yes it would, as they're all ICs and can join whatever at deployment, including each other or being on their own.

Hell, you could take 6 Haems and 2 squads of 3 Wracks with an acothyst and a HR for 2 squads of 4, or 1 squad of 7

You'd be wasting a ton of pain tokens that would be better off spread out...

Saldiven wrote:

Ovion wrote:Do you mean if you took 3 haemys with HRs you'd have a 3shot unit of snipers?

Yes it would, as they're all ICs and can join whatever at deployment, including each other or being on their own.

Hell, you could take 6 Haems and 2 squads of 3 Wracks with an acothyst and a HR for 2 squads of 4, or 1 squad of 7

You'd be wasting a ton of pain tokens that would be better off spread out...

Well, yes there's better ways to use 3-8 pain tokens, but the question was is it doable, which it is.

It's also funny, you arent likely to use this in a serious list, but for a laugh? Why the hell not right.