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Hi guys,

Just have some quick IG questions.

1. Manticore's Storm Eagle Rockets; do you flip the large blast plate as explained under multi-barrages, or do you roll the scatter dice + 2d6 on every shot after the initial blast?

2. Vendetta comes in from out-flank. Since the new FAQ counts all the wings as part of the hull, does that mean even the vendetta is hovering, the whole model needs to be within table edge? Can they move the vendetta having their oval base touching the table edge? It's kind of stupid when I immobilized the Vendetta, after remove the oval base, it's tail is outside of the table edge. Umm... is it remove? or an illegal position in the first place?

3. Regarding orders; I notice from time to time, after my opponent fails the order's leadership check, and then claim a re-roll. Maybe I overlook on the codex, because I don't see it anywhere states that you can re-roll a fail order. (Or is it do-able to give that unit a new order who initially fail the first order check?) Some special rules that I'm not aware of.

4. Is it true the IG player have to declare all order first (make all possible orders check first), before they do any shooting? My opponent would declare one order to unit "A", and then unit "A" shoots, and then declare another order to unit "B", and then unit "B" shoots, and goes on like that.

Please help me clear up these concerns, I appreciate your time and efforts.

New Player wrote:Hi guys,

Just have some quick IG questions.

1. Manticore's Storm Eagle Rockets; do you flip the large blast plate as explained under multi-barrages, or do you roll the scatter dice + 2d6 on every shot after the initial blast?

2. Vendetta comes in from out-flank. Since the new FAQ counts all the wings as part of the hull, does that mean even the vendetta is hovering, the whole model needs to be within table edge? Can they move the vendetta having their oval base touching the table edge? It's kind of stupid when I immobilized the Vendetta, after remove the oval base, it's tail is outside of the table edge. Umm... is it remove? or an illegal position in the first place?

3. Regarding orders; I notice from time to time, after my opponent fails the order's leadership check, and then claim a re-roll. Maybe I overlook on the codex, because I don't see it anywhere states that you can re-roll a fail order. (Or is it do-able to give that unit a new order who initially fail the first order check?) Some special rules that I'm not aware of.

4. Is it true the IG player have to declare all order first (make all possible orders check first), before they do any shooting? My opponent would declare one order to unit "A", and then unit "A" shoots, and then declare another order to unit "B", and then unit "B" shoots, and goes on like that.

Please help me clear up these concerns, I appreciate your time and efforts.

1. Flip

2. The whole model must be on the board.

3. vox caster or a banner or something probably

4. He should yes, he also has to start with the highest ranking officer and move down the chain of command.

1) If you fire directly, NO. If you fire indirectly, then tentatively "Yes" based on precedent from the Eldar FAQ. RAW there's no reason to "flip" it other than the aforementioned precedent.

For some reason, people at my FLGS insist that you always use the flip method and it's flat out wrong.

3) Vox Caster

I have seen some answers that are correct some...not so much.

1. You flip. It is barrage D3 and thus falls under the multiple barrage rule.

2. The FAQ also says that you use the base not the hull itself. The only time hull is used is for templates/markers and measuring ranges. Now should it be imobilised you remove it if you can. Clearly you cannot or else it would be destroyed thus it remains on the stand.

3. If both squads have a vox caster he is allowed to reroll.

4. All orders must be made at the start of the IG players shooting phase. Once the first order has been recieved the squad IMMEDIATELY reacts and carries out their orders. So yes it will be CCS gives order to unit A. Unit A carries out the orders (it has run/shot for this phase). CCS can then attempt to issue another (same or different) order to unit B, etc.

Akroma06 wrote:2. The FAQ also says that you use the base not the hull itself. The only time hull is used is for templates/markers and measuring ranges. Now should it be imobilised you remove it if you can. Clearly you cannot or else it would be destroyed thus it remains on the stand.

"Q: Are a vehicle’s wings considered to be part of its
hull? (p60)
A: Yes."

"Q: What happens when a unit arrives from reserves but
is unable to completely move onto the board? (p94)
A: The unit is destroyed and removed from play."


Q: Can models move off the table? (p11)
A: Not unless a rule or the mission being played clearly
specify that they can. All good wargamers know that
the edge of the table is the end of the world!"


Q: Can a vehicle that is moving on from reserves
perform a tank shock? (p68)
A: Yes it can, declare the distance it is going to move
along with its direction and move the tank onto the
board that many inches, measuring from the board
edge as for a normal from reserve. The tank shock is
performed as usual. However, if the tank is forced to
stop for any reason before the entire vehicle is on the
board then the vehicle, and any embarked units, count
as destroyed and are removed from play."

It's pretty bulletproof, the edge is the end of the world. If you're playing with friends feel free to modify the rules as the group sees fit but in a competative game the rules are the rules.


Also, as far as the barrage with the manticore, you can choose to fire direct or indirect if you have los to the target.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:1) If you fire directly, NO. If you fire indirectly, then tentatively "Yes" based on precedent from the Eldar FAQ. RAW there's no reason to "flip" it other than the aforementioned precedent.

For some reason, people at my FLGS insist that you always use the flip method and it's flat out wrong.

just thought I'd point out that firing multiple blasts from a single weapon in direct fire mode is also not covered under the rules....................... Yep, there are no rules for how to use a Thunderfire Cannon or Executioner Cannon.
That's why many of us just say to use mode of fire (direct or barrage) to determine how you place the blast markers.

You can choose to fire direct or indirect. If fired directly at the target they're treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons. So whether you get 1 or 3 shots, you roll scatter for each shot.

Crablezworth wrote:You can choose to fire direct or indirect. If fired directly at the target they're treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons. So whether you get 1 or 3 shots, you roll scatter for each shot.

Yep, that's the way most of us play it even tho it's not covered in the rules.

don_mondo wrote:

Crablezworth wrote:You can choose to fire direct or indirect. If fired directly at the target they're treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons. So whether you get 1 or 3 shots, you roll scatter for each shot.

Yep, that's the way most of us play it even tho it's not covered in the rules.

Yeah, that's what I would have assumed as well.

don_mondo wrote:

Crablezworth wrote:You can choose to fire direct or indirect. If fired directly at the target they're treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons. So whether you get 1 or 3 shots, you roll scatter for each shot.

Yep, that's the way most of us play it even tho it's not covered in the rules.

I got that from pg 58 "ordnance barrage weapons" second paragraph

"If fired directly at the target, they are treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons (ignore the minimum range in the weapon's profile)."

Crable - however if you look at the rules for barrage weapons there is no case for multiple shots from the same weapon. Which is why theyre not covered in the rules.

Crablezworth wrote:"Q: Are a vehicle’s wings considered to be part of its
hull? (p60)
A: Yes."

However, it doesn't mention the tail. Does this mean that the tail doesn't count? Who knows, this argument will go on until the next edition hopefully fixes it.

On actual aircraft, the tail is considered part of the fuselage or hull.

And we all know how 40k is exactly like real life.