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Hi. I’m new to Dakka, and I joined pretty much exclusively to get some C&C on my rules for Bound Monsters representing manifestations of various Warhammer gods, in the style of the Exalted Daemons and Vermin Lord.

Planned gods:
Morr, God of the Dead- Ravenfather DONE
Ulric, God of Wolves, War & Winter- Herald of Winter
The Great Maw, all-consuming god of all ogres, everywhere, whether they like it or not- The Ravenous Vortex (hell yes I'm going there)
Khaine, Elf God of War and Murder
Ranald, God of Tricksters and Thieves
Grungni, Ancestor God of Mining and Smiths- Godslayer

Aaand probably quite a few more. I know I’ve missed some out somewhere.

Anyway, on with the first god: Morr, the God of Death, Portals and Dreams, in the guise of the Ravenfather!


So. Comments? Criticism? Carnosaurs? Any other gods to suggest? And should I continue with this venture, or go and die in a hole somewhere?

Is this for Storms of Magic? If it's not, it needs to be, because nothing really is that powerful outside of SoM.

I'll just say put what army book you got these gods from any what page reference. Some I know. Some, not so much.

As for its abilities, I don't really know. For the Exalteds, they just took the Greater and made them Greater++ and then added some items and spells from the high end of that list. I.e., they didn't try very hard.

"Scrolls of Binding for Warhammer gods" would seem to imply that.

If you go to the Lexicanum wiki, there will be information (limited information, yes, but information nonetheless) on each of these gods. The Ancestor (dwarf) gods, apparently, have only been mentioned in 1st edition and the Dwarfs omnibus, so information is presumably limited.

For abilities- I'm going with what I know and coming up with related rules (or, as Jervis would put it, "associated game mechanics"). As the god of death, powers linked to the Grey Magic seemed suitable. The "riftwalker" ability came from his status as god of portals and, well, it's hard to come up with an ability for a god of dreams.

Also, forgot to put magic levels. Adding that now.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:"Scrolls of Binding for Warhammer gods" would seem to imply that.

If you go to the Lexicanum wiki, there will be information (limited information, yes, but information nonetheless) on each of these gods.

I don't play SoM and likely 90%+ of the people here don't even have the book.

I'm sure people could do a crapton of research, including flying to England and asking the designers what they think, but how about your provide as much information as basically every other post in these forums--even ones that aren't dealing with extremely obscure subjects such as yours. Especially if you're going to be a douche about it.

What about summoning Gork 'n' Mork?

DukeRustfield wrote:

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:"Scrolls of Binding for Warhammer gods" would seem to imply that.

If you go to the Lexicanum wiki, there will be information (limited information, yes, but information nonetheless) on each of these gods.

I don't play SoM and likely 90%+ of the people here don't even have the book.

I'm sure people could do a crapton of research, including flying to England and asking the designers what they think, but how about your provide as much information as basically every other post in these forums--even ones that aren't dealing with extremely obscure subjects such as yours. Especially if you're going to be a douche about it.

I don't have the storm of magic book, but it wasn't hard for me to figure out that a scroll of binding is obviously for storm of magic.
Cutting and pasting tons of fluff isn't needed. Most of these have been mentioned repeatedly over the years by GW, and it's safe to say that the idea can be commented on without knowledge of who Morr is. Hell, GW just released the Gardens of Morr last month.

Anyhow, Morr should have Hate (vampires/Tombkings) as both are undead. Heroic killing blow seems fine. 775 points is a lot, and with just a 5+ ward, I'd call this guy a glass cannon. The portal thing is a bit messy, as you have to figure out how facing works if more than 1 unit moves. What might make more sense is to have the portal vanish after the 1st enemy unit moves through.
Also, magic is after movement, so if he portals, he can't move any further. With flight and portal, we don't have a lot of reasons to give up his magic phase.
What if, instead of having the lore attribute of death (making power dice) he got another spell. Call it Portal. Works exactly like steed of shadows, only it can target whole units.
Morr making power dice doesn't really fit the theme; he shouldn't be the power house caster.

-Matt

Anyhow, Morr should have Hate (vampires/Tombkings) as both are undead. Heroic killing blow seems fine. 775 points is a lot, and with just a 5+ ward, I'd call this guy a glass cannon. The portal thing is a bit messy, as you have to figure out how facing works if more than 1 unit moves. What might make more sense is to have the portal vanish after the 1st enemy unit moves through.
Also, magic is after movement, so if he portals, he can't move any further. With flight and portal, we don't have a lot of reasons to give up his magic phase.
What if, instead of having the lore attribute of death (making power dice) he got another spell. Call it Portal. Works exactly like steed of shadows, only it can target whole units.
Morr making power dice doesn't really fit the theme; he shouldn't be the power house caster.

-Matt

@Duke: Sorry, I didn’t mean to be unpleasant. Since you mentioned Storm of Magic, I assumed that you knew what a Scroll of Binding was.
By “you can look it up on the interwebs” thing, I simply meant that that was where I found it- it’s hard to find information on gods in the books.
@Tethlis: Gah, I knew I’d forgotten something. Thanks.
@Matt: Morr gets his knickers in a twist about VCs and Necromancers because they tear the dead from their graves, preventing them from resting peacefully. The skeleton legions of the Tomb Kings follow them wilfully, so there’s no “rest in peace” thing going on.
I believe you’ve misunderstood- Morr doesn’t portal in his magic phase, he portals before he moves at the beginning of the turn. He can’t then magic afterwards. The single unit thing could work, I suppose.
On the steed of shadows-type spell- I’m not sure. Morr’s best known as the god of the dead, so two portal rules would be a bit OTT.
Tethlis(2): The Exalted Daemons have 5+ Ward and are 775 points, so I don’t know. Characters can only follow Morr through the portal, and can’t go back the way he came.

Thanks for the support, guys!

Just a thought, on base size, these guys should be huge.
100x100 at least. The new 100x150 bases would work too.

-Matt

Same size as the FW exalteds, I'd imagine.

A scroll of binding could be made for Aseph, the Khemri god of serpents. (come to think of it, there are a lot of gods in warhammer. I bet house prices in the realms of the gods are going up.) What kind of special rules would Khaine have? It seems somewhat likely he could just end up a lot like the exalted bloodthirster.

I was thinking fantasy-ified, powered up versions of the 40k Avatar rules for Khaine. Maybe a Killing Blow-type attack that only works on lords, heroes and monsters? (He is the god of murder.)

Oh, and Asaph is a godess.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:I was thinking fantasy-ified, powered up versions of the 40k Avatar rules for Khaine. Maybe a Killing Blow-type attack that only works on lords, heroes and monsters? (He is the god of murder.)

Oh, and Asaph is a godess.

For Khaine, I'd do something different. I'd start with the dark elf assassin as a base.
Add in killing blow, +D3 attacks, 5+ ward, cry of war, Venom Sword, black lotus (re-roll 1's to wound), Rending stars, and cloak of twilight (bound 3 steed of shadows).
1 enemy in base to base loses 1 attack, Cry of War
Add +1 across the board to assassin stats.
When flanking or attacking from rear, killing blow becomes heroic.
Terror, ASF, and deploys hidden as per assassin rules. Uses daemon instability instead of break tests.
Eternal Hate, Frenzy.

So:
M6 WS10 BS10 S6 T4 Init10 A4+1(frenzy) LD10, 5+ ward.

I'd make him either Infantry or Monstrous Infantry. I just don't see a god of murder being a huge hulking monster, but rather a slightly larger than man, super assassin.
With 6-8 attacks, that re-roll to hit, and re-roll 1's to wound, is pretty mean; Add in that it's a Venom Sword (if you take a wound, you must pass Toughness test on 2D6 or die), and that you can score killing blows and heroic killing blows.

I think the problem you'll run into is keeping Morr sufficiently different from Khaine.

-Matt

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:

Oh, and Asaph is a godess.

My mistake.



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The high elves worship khaine too, in times of war. Am I correct in assuming that some of those special rules are dark elf ones? He is not just a d.e god.
Apart from that, nice!

Ok, I should be able to get some Godslayer rules written up over the weekend. Any suggestions?

@Matt: Don't know what half of that does, but sounds good. He is going to be a monster, though- the "40Khaine" is very similar to the WFB one, and is meant to be a titanic monstrobeast. Plus, well, the Exalteds.