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With the sucess I've had with my eldar dropping transports and going back to a list akin like I'd have ran in 2nd ed before falcons and also the many footdar lists popping up been thinking of the trend of mech lists. Even orks have started having the nice KFF, walkers, and a lotta boys Obviously the rules currently favour armies mostly meching up, which in turn gives games workshop more cash from sales, but have people ran other foot lists for other armies with success?

This question popped into my head sitting reading the Angels of Death codex and mentally going through what I used to run then and looking at how it has evolved today. Obviously not everyone can instantly afford a fully meched up army so will be interesting to hear from you who have tried foot marines, infantry swarm guard etc. Especially interested in hearing of the marine lists just now with very few expensive vehicles.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Footslogging Deathwing looks to be pretty good, as do Blood Angels jump pack lists & vanilla bike lists (not sure if they count for your purposes).

You'd be surprised how little 'special weapons' are in a foot list. Special weapons are for veterans, not regular guard squads. In a 'blob' you only have 2-3, meltaguns, for 30 men. veterans would have 9.

The impossibly high number of shot from 80+ guardsmen using triple-shot order at 12inch is just gross. 240 lasguns shots!? from only 400 points of men? Ridiculous mate.

I suspect that eldar, spamming guardians, along with some tricky dealings with firedragons or swooping hawks can do some damage too.

DakkaDakka wrote:

I tried the guardian spam list at ard boyz this year, ran 10 wraith guard, 20 dire avengers and 80 guardians all on foot. it does ok but the crappy range on the catapults inhibits their effectiveness, its sad really in 2nd edition they had a 24" range, st 4 with a -2 save modifier and sustained fire (1die)
That was way better than a bolt gun. Now they suck and it makes no sense. High tech race, dwindling population, sounds like 12" range should fit the bill... not.

Back on topic, sprinkle in the Avatar a few Wraithlords and Eldrad and you will shred some armies and die to others. Again the short range handicaps the guardians.

Next year mark my words, Eldar book will contain a 24" range st 4 ap 5 assault 2 Catapult

Will get our should mounted D cannon's back and Dark reapers will dig out their krak missiles again.

Footdar will rule and the Galaxy will Burn...

IG88 wrote:I tried the guardian spam list at ard boyz this year, ran 10 wraith guard, 20 dire avengers and 80 guardians all on foot. it does ok but the crappy range on the catapults inhibits their effectiveness, its sad really in 2nd edition they had a 24" range, st 4 with a -2 save modifier and sustained fire (1die)
That was way better than a bolt gun. Now they suck and it makes no sense. High tech race, dwindling population, sounds like 12" range should fit the bill... not.

Back on topic, sprinkle in the Avatar a few Wraithlords and Eldrad and you will shred some armies and die to others. Again the short range handicaps the guardians.

Next year mark my words, Eldar book will contain a 24" range st 4 ap 5 assault 2 Catapult

Will get our should mounted D cannon's back and Dark reapers will dig out their krak missiles again.

Footdar will rule and the Galaxy will Burn...

Aye, I miss those days. My footdar have done not too shabbily it has to be said, especially when your opponent laughs at the swooping hawks, ignores them then isn't pleased when a LR falls to haywire grenades.

Armies that footslog effectively:
- All Jump Blood Angels
- Green Tide Orks
- Deathwing
- Grey Knight Draigowing
- Dark Eldar Webway lists
- Tyranids (duh)
- Footdar (see Reecius' battle reps)
- Massed IG Infantry (Ailaros used to post religiously, he has like 60 battle reps with his foot guard)

I'm sure theres a few more I missed, but a lot of armies nowadays can effectively slog it and kick ass. Mostly its playing smart and having people your list is inferior without being meched up... haha

DakkaDakka wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

Zid wrote:Armies that footslog effectively:
- All Jump Blood Angels
- Green Tide Orks
- Deathwing
- Grey Knight Draigowing
- Dark Eldar Webway lists
- Tyranids (duh)
- Footdar (see Reecius' battle reps)
- Massed IG Infantry (Ailaros used to post religiously, he has like 60 battle reps with his foot guard)

I'm sure theres a few more I missed, but a lot of armies nowadays can effectively slog it and kick ass. Mostly its playing smart and having people your list is inferior without being meched up... haha

Saying that Draigowing and Deathwing can be counted amongst foot armies, is comparable to saying that Daemons are a effective footslogging army.

I tend to think that it's a bit of a moral victory for running a 'foot' list in 5e, and DE, Draigo, and Daemons don't fit into that category.
On a less personal level, those three all can/usually do Deep Strike. It *does* set them apart.

However, they are foot based lists; its like saying Jump Angels isn't foot based. DE can throw down a good foot based webway; yes, it uses at most 4 transports, but its 90% foot. Draigo is normally not mechanized other than dreads. Daemons as well.

Foot armies mean "not relying on tin cans to do crap" to me normally. Of course, your definition is different from mine. I consider anything thats mostly on foot a "foot" army

Ok this is what i do i guy a whole bunch of imperial guard squads, catachans of course. But with a few heavy weapon squads to bolster them up. Works pretty effectively, BTW you have my runescape name 0.o exept its vermaelion...strange.

Vermillion and Vermaelion are completely different. Spelling, pronounciation, and meaning.. so, don't bother comparing the two.

About the deep striking armies being 'foot sloggers' I also have to disagree. They sure dont use vehicles to get into combat, but they also sure dont use their feet. They teleport/drop in. A vehicle is just a means to an end - getting into combat. Deepstrike is a 'vehicle' in that respect. Actually walking, running, and ducking behind cover to get into CC is what a foot slog list is all about.

If the blood angels had 60 tac marines and 6 dreadnaughts, and 2 libbys with Shield, i'd call that a foot slogger list.

I generally split my list ideas into 4 broad categories
1. Mech (majority in vehicles)
2. Deepstrike (this includes Drop Pod/spore/DOA, etc)
3. Foot (majority boots on ground)
4. Hybrid (somewhere in between any of the above)

I used to run foot wolves...
It relied on maxed long fangs to provide supporting fire, and a good mix of Rune and Wolf priests with Grey Hunters...throw in some Venerable Dreadnoughts or Wolf Scouts and you have yourself a Space Wolf Party

It did farily well, but had many pitfalls...such as sacrificing shooting so as to run (for cover, objectives, etc).

I also ran a footslogging plague marine list with 2 Defilers for awhile...same concept different book.

IG88 wrote:That was way better than a bolt gun. Now they suck and it makes no sense. High tech race, dwindling population, sounds like 12" range should fit the bill... not.

I thought that was the reason the eldar were a dying race. They lost their ability to make decent weapons decades ago.

I would also throw bike lists into the 'foot' list pool. I can make a good marine all-bike list at 1000 points, and make a good one at 1750 with predators, dreads and typhoon support.

How can we forget the Black Tide the Templars can throw down onto the table. Mind you I don't know how competitive it is but I run 3-4 20 man Templar squads back by as many cyclone terminator squads with tank hunter as possible. Quite fulfilling to see people or other foot lists get swallowed up by angry as all hell Black Templars And on a side note, my friend runs foot chaos marines, like, 15-20 man units of chaos marines with either mark of khorne or nurgle. Very interesting matches come up when we face off haha.

Do bike units count?

Granted boots aren't actually on the ground, but they definitely have more in common with infantry than tanks- toughness values, armor saves, and treatment in assault.

If they do, then Saim Hann style Eldar and Bike Space Marines are also fairly solid builds.

akaean wrote:Do bike units count?

Granted boots aren't actually on the ground, but they definitely have more in common with infantry than tanks- toughness values, armor saves, and treatment in assault.

If they do, then Saim Hann style Eldar and Bike Space Marines are also fairly solid builds.

The only real difference I see between bike armies and other footsloggers are the following
* You get a lot less bikes for your points (ie, smaller armies)
* Their a lot faster

labmouse42 wrote:

akaean wrote:Do bike units count?

Granted boots aren't actually on the ground, but they definitely have more in common with infantry than tanks- toughness values, armor saves, and treatment in assault.

If they do, then Saim Hann style Eldar and Bike Space Marines are also fairly solid builds.

The only real difference I see between bike armies and other footsloggers are the following
* You get a lot less bikes for your points (ie, smaller armies)
* Their a lot faster

depends on the biker army... I could probably still put out more ork bikers than some armies would in models for foot slogging at 25 points per bike.. granted at a bit over 40 bucks for 3 bikes it'd be a pretty costly army

G00fySmiley wrote:depends on the biker army... I could probably still put out more ork bikers than some armies would in models for foot slogging at 25 points per bike.. granted at a bit over 40 bucks for 3 bikes it'd be a pretty costly army

25 points per model does not include the upgrades, such as a Nob with a PK.

Bike armies might outnumber a terminator footslogger list, but that's about it. The fact is that bikes just cant complete point-per-model wise with the 6 point ork.

true... and my nob bikers are pretty expensitve 435 for 6 models

but the math I used for it was plain bikes, tac marins as a basis is 16 points per model

indeed the nob is a 40 point upgrade considering nob/pk/bp, but deopendant on numbe rin the bike squad that can be negligable (assuming using 10 bike units) for 290 points vs a 10 man tac assuming also giving the sergant a power fist that is 195 .. 100 point dirrerence is pretty good though asmitadly the orks lack the atsknf ... which should be factored in ... thoguh with a 4+ armor 4= cover and T 5 I'd take the bikez at 100 to beat the marines