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Removing the team rosters without updated plastic kits pretty much means there will be extensions in the future. I guess they'll keep doing Spike! magazine every time they'll release a new team.

Also, not having the rosters means cutting the grass under the feet of other companies making "count as" teams, since they don't know what GW will add as players when they'll release their team.

And like they say on Reddit, since it's a new edition, it'll take some time before updating the missing rosters to the new balance of power.

If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Gotta make cash with dlc books

Snotling list has been leaked. You can max out every positional (including linemen) and still take three re-rolls on a starting team. You just need one team box and two trolls.
Even so, I expect your TV will still only be about ¾ of a million, if the Team special rule does what I think (like the Ogre runts, I expect the line-snots won’t count). That still may not be enough to save you though…

puig2233 wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Gotta make cash with dlc books

Again, I don't mind new teams coming out via Spike magazine (or dlc books as you call them), newly released content is a good reason for that magazine to exist. I just want all the rules for the teams that were JUST sold to us in the Head Coach's Handbook to be ported over.

It isn't like it was GW that has kept this game alive until 2016 anyways, doesn't seem to be a smart move to alienate a fairly good sized portion of the player base by cutting 6 teams.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

puig2233 wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Gotta make cash with dlc books

Again, I don't mind new teams coming out via Spike magazine (or dlc books as you call them), newly released content is a good reason for that magazine to exist. I just want all the rules for the teams that were JUST sold to us in the Head Coach's Handbook to be ported over.

It isn't like it was GW that has kept this game alive until 2016 anyways, doesn't seem to be a smart move to alienate a fairly good sized portion of the player base by cutting 6 teams.

Wow, I didn't realise they'd done that, I've never looked at that book, it just makes it even worse. As long as they have a pdf with the new stats for those teams then it's not a problem and they can release the teams with the Spike magazines at their pleasure and most of us will happily buy them.

If they don't release new stats for those 6 teams I can only imagine the chaos it'll cause for tournaments if they take up this new rule set.

I am very interested in seeing what the NAF decides to do with this new ruleset; will they adopt it automatically upon release? will they wait awhile to see how it plays out? will they decide to stay with BB2016 or even go back to the CRP?

If GW does not release with the BB2020 rules rosters for all teams currently played in BB2016/CRP, then I could see the NAF not adopting the BB2020 rules. The NAF's years of players' stats tracking includes the 24 teams that have been in play for quite some time. To remove some teams, add several other teams, and make significant changes to other teams' rosters could lead to a "reset" of all player stats by the NAF; something that many NAF members might take issue with.

However, if the NAF were to stick with BB2016 or go back to the CRP I could see GW sending them a cease and desist notice for using any GW IP or if the NAF were to publish the CRP again.

At this point in time, I'm hoping that the NAF will hold off on adopting the BB2020 ruleset and stick with BB2016/CRP until the dust settles a bit and we get some actual playtesting data from the community on the new rules. As someone who has regularly attended BB tournaments for several years, I don't recall any of the players I met expressing a desire for a completely new edition of rules. Some minor tweaks to a few skills and rosters? Yes, but nothing of the magnitude that will be coming with BB2020.

I could see them releasing a PDF with temporary rules for vampis/chorfs and the others. Cause who knows what changes they would implement for those teams alongside eventual spike magazines. These teams will probably end up in limbo with their current rosters getting the PA change and that's about it. They would have to be insanely foolish to not provide some form of playability for those teams in the new edition.

Maybe they can make a $5/month app to accompany the new edition?

 Gnarlly wrote:

However, if the NAF were to stick with BB2016 or go back to the CRP I could see GW sending them a cease and desist notice for using any GW IP or if the NAF were to publish the CRP again.

if NAF goes back to CRP or release a updated BB2016 and GW does anything like that, they would kill of the game over night.
I cannot see the Community being positive torwards GW and support the company by buying their products if the send letters out because they made a mistake

A new BB video game?

If they don't delete the aging rule I won't buy it. Still playing BB I by the way.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Is the new edition of Blood Bowl different enough that 'updated' rosters are needed?

I seriously doubt that the NAF would cut any of their teams, and they're likely to add the new ones on a sort of 'trial' basis (which usually ends with them being official later on).


I don't think the current GW would send a C&D to the NAF for a number of reasons. Not only because it would be supremely stupid, but also because they rarely send C&D letters to non-US organizations, and because the days of the "C&D for everyone" have gone with the Kirby after he lost them so much money over Chapterhouse..

 odinsgrandson wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Is the new edition of Blood Bowl different enough that 'updated' rosters are needed?

Yes. They added another characteristic, never mind changing and adding several skills, and the extra characteristic does not derive from the existing one that used to do the same job(s) in a linear fashion.
There are patterns but it’s not completely predictable/consistent.

 odinsgrandson wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Is the new edition of Blood Bowl different enough that 'updated' rosters are needed?

I seriously doubt that the NAF would cut any of their teams, and they're likely to add the new ones on a sort of 'trial' basis (which usually ends with them being official later on).


I don't think the current GW would send a C&D to the NAF for a number of reasons. Not only because it would be supremely stupid, but also because they rarely send C&D letters to non-US organizations, and because the days of the "C&D for everyone" have gone with the Kirby after he lost them so much money over Chapterhouse..

The rosters in the new edition won't be compatible with the old rosters because of the addition of the Pass stat.

 odinsgrandson wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Baxx wrote:
If it takes time, I would rather have them hold the new edition until rosters are ready for all teams. Not interested in another early access beta game.

This. I don't mind future releases of brand new teams being added through Spike magazines... but all I want is complete rosters for the teams we have been playing with for years and years.

Is the new edition of Blood Bowl different enough that 'updated' rosters are needed?

Yes, as there is now the passing stat and others have changed to being what you need to role (i.e. AG 3 becoming 4+)

And that is reportedly going to affect the current online league management system.

seen of FB
sorry for the size

What's up with the drip-feeding of leaked content? Is it one team per day or what???

Baxx wrote:
What's up with the drip-feeding of leaked content? Is it one team per day or what???

You’d have to ask the leaker for that info but it seems they’ve gotten fed up of being pestered and dropped basically the whole thing, if you know where to look.

The full book has been leaked, indeed.

The more I read, the more I like ! It's really well presented. I'll gladly buy it once it's released - I'm too old school, I need good old paper book.

Sarouan wrote:
The full book has been leaked, indeed.

The more I read, the more I like ! It's really well presented. I'll gladly buy it once it's released - I'm too old school, I need good old paper book.

Wait... Really? My Google-fu is weak, can you confirm what teams are in the starting book?

Looking at my old 2nd Edition Blood Bowl Star Players and Compendium books, as well as my boxed copy of Dungeon Bowl, as well as the (even for the time) almost prohibitively expensive all metal teams that couldn't be completed without in-store mail order and wondering how we went from being perfectly okay with the combined cost of all that to whining about a £7 Spike! magazine expansion.

I mean.

Come on.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Sarouan wrote:
The full book has been leaked, indeed.

The more I read, the more I like ! It's really well presented. I'll gladly buy it once it's released - I'm too old school, I need good old paper book.

Wait... Really? My Google-fu is weak, can you confirm what teams are in the starting book?

Correct me if i'm wrong but from what I saw the teams without models weren't included.

 Gnarlly wrote:
However, if the NAF were to stick with BB2016 or go back to the CRP I could see GW sending them a cease and desist notice for using any GW IP or if the NAF were to publish the CRP again.

This new edition was made to take the power away from such groups and put it back in the hands of GW.

Want any level of official-ness? Gotta play the new edition. Break away from that to do you're own thing? Well you're out in the cold then, aren't you. Have fun with zero support from the company making the game.

Have Nu-GW actually been providing prizes or other support to events? If not what’s the downside of vets leagues sticking with the LRB?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gnarlly wrote:
However, if the NAF were to stick with BB2016 or go back to the CRP I could see GW sending them a cease and desist notice for using any GW IP or if the NAF were to publish the CRP again.

This new edition was made to take the power away from such groups and put it back in the hands of GW.

Want any level of official-ness? Gotta play the new edition. Break away from that to do you're own thing? Well you're out in the cold then, aren't you. Have fun with zero support from the company making the game.

Weirdly conspiratorial and knowing post.
The 'power' that the naf have always had is the awesome power of running plastic football games for handfulls of men with beards, a power that they've retained and will continue to wield whether or not they 'break away' into 'the cold' and 'have fun with zero support' like they've always done. For years and years.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Have Nu-GW actually been providing prizes or other support to events? If not what’s the downside of vets leagues sticking with the LRB?

Just losing the new players buying the new edition. If that's not important to your player group, it's nothing.

Honestly, it's not a bad one. It's well presented and quite clear. Very new player-friendly.

While it's clearly a new edition, the core is still there. There is a base that is IMHO thought for the future supplements as well - lots of status and keyword-like rules that don't seem to have a lot of effects right now, but will certainly unlock other stuff later.

Here are the teams inside :

- Black Orc Teams
- Chaos Chosen Teams
- Chaos Renegade Teams
- Dark Elf Teams
- Dwarf Teams
- Elven Union Teams
- Goblin Teams
- Halfling Teams
- Human Teams
- Imperial Nobility Teams
- Lizardmen Teams
- Necromantic Teams
- Nurgle Teams
- Ogre Teams
- Old World Alliance Teams
- Orc Teams
- Shambling Undead Teams
- Skaven Teams
- Snotling Teams
- Underworld Denizens Teams
- Wood Elf Teams

And here are the Starplayers listed inside (but they also wrote future supplements will bring others)

- The Black Gobbo
- Deeproot Strongbranch
- Eldril Sidewinder
- Glart Smashrip
- Gloriel Summerbloom
- Grak & Crumbleberry (must still be taken together)
- Gretchen Wachter "The Blood Bowl Widow"
- Griff Oberwald
- Grim Ironjaw
- Hakflem Skuttlespike
- Helmut Wulf
- Karla Von Kill
- Lord Borak the Despoiler
- Mighty Zug
- Morg'n'Thorg
- Roxanna Darknail
- Rumbelow Sheepskin
- Skrull Halfheight
- Lucien Swift & Valen Swift (still must be taken together)
- Varag Ghoul-Chewer
- Grombrindal, the White Dwarf
- Willow Rosebark
- Zolcath the Zoat (yes, really)

All starplayers each have special rules on their own. Zolcath the Zoat has the special rule "Excuse Me, Are You A Zoat ?"

JWBS wrote:

Weirdly conspiratorial and knowing post.
The 'power' that the naf have always had is the awesome power of running plastic football games for handfulls of men with beards, a power that they've retained and will continue to wield whether or not they 'break away' into 'the cold' and 'have fun with zero support' like they've always done. For years and years.

To the NAF's credit, it's definitely more than a "handful." The 2015 world cup had almost 900 players, the 2019 World Cup had 1,400.

Fingers crossed that GW works quickly to get the rest of the teams updated. It's a shame that they replaced other actual teams with their replacement semi-original teams. I'll have to wait to field my Chaos Dwarfs, and who knows how my Slann/Kislev team will turn out.

JWBS wrote:

The 'power' that the naf have always had is the awesome power of running plastic football games for handfulls of men with beards, a power that they've retained and will continue to wield whether or not they 'break away' into 'the cold' and 'have fun with zero support' like they've always done. For years and years.

I think the NAF's players aren't just a block of people who refuse any change just because it's change. I believe a lot of them will take time to read the new rules, test them and see the big picture behind, then decide what to do with them. I also think they won't be automatically against them in the end. There are a lot of concepts that are good, actually.

But otherwise, yes, you can still play your own rules with your player group as you did before.


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 infinite_array wrote:

Fingers crossed that GW works quickly to get the rest of the teams updated. It's a shame that they replaced other actual teams with their replacement semi-original teams. I'll have to wait to field my Chaos Dwarfs, and who knows how my Slann/Kislev team will turn out.

I see four possibilities ;

- They release a pdf with the missing teams like they did in 2016 (or was it in 2017 ? I don't remember, I know the first release was end of the year), some kind of "teams of legend"
- They make a supplement for that that you buy separately
- They take the time to make the plastic miniatures and release a Spike! magazine with the new roster and new rules (and certainly new players as well, like chamelon skinks or the different halfling "specialists" )...one by one.
- They're gone forever ! Nah, I'm joking I don't believe that option.

Note that they may choose more than one (making the pdf or the supplement before releasing the plastic miniatures later, and so on)