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Hi dakka fans,

I'm sure most armies have a weekness whether small or big to them on the bettle field but what is the big/main weekness of the Blood Angels?

It's a really minor one..but they are slightly more expensive than normal marines...but they die like marines.

Most of their points come from hidden costs..their tanks are more expensive, storm shields are more expensive, buying goodies like sang priests cost points. It adds up.

Other than that..they play like suped up marines

Don't forget rage ... rhino up so you don't end up charging units you don't want to.

Plasma.

BA weakness=Ba strengths =FNP in an entire army

FNP comes from 1 of 3 sources.

Priests that can be singled out in CC

Honor guard which is a 5 man squad in power armor. Start killing HG and the novalite can not detach from the squad once it starts getting shot up.

Death company have it built in along with rage. Pop their transport and units can rage kite the DC.

Jedend1 wrote:Hi dakka fans,

I'm sure most armies have a weekness whether small or big to them on the bettle field but what is the big/main weekness of the Blood Angels?

Many weaknesses to their army as well as many strentghs. Are you trying to find a particular weakness that you can (exploit)? If so which army do you plan on doing it with?

Essentially though marines are easy to kill, FNP makes it a bit tougher, however STR8+ and AP3 down work wonders on the lil buggers

I would say their biggest problem is that they cost more, It is not a lot more, but those costs add up pretty fast. As a result compared to an equal point army of vanilla Marines they will be fielding far fewer bodies.

Of course FNP helps mitigate that, but things like power-weapons and AP2 weapons, will ignore the FNP and kill them off pretty fast. with their fewer bodies, each dead marine is a significant loss.

They die like other Marines and have usually sacrificed long range for combat.

Also, although you usually can't, out-running them and preventing them from punching you sometimes helps.

Or, bring a Dreadnought in a sock.

Thanks everyone for all your help. When some of you say cost more, do you mean just tanks, troops, or weaponry?

Also, And 'Small, Far Away', if they die like other marines, is that a good thing? I'm not very expierienced on 'other marines' so I wouldn't know much about them.

'Byte' Plasma? Mor detail please in what you mean by plasma?

Thanks 'Tri' I will bare that in mind for the future .

Thanks everyone. Anymore weeknesses?

They die like other Marines. Not quite true since you can spread FnP over the whole army. Moreover, BA is the fastest of the loyal chapters. Fast tanks like Predators are maneuverable and can shot all their main weapons. That's a big advantage - Predators of other chapters are just pillboxes.

The first one in August seemed to be a bit of a weekness for them, but they came back strong shortly thereafter.


Oh. WEAKNESS. That's a different story. In that case, the one thing I've noticed is that most lists seem to either be built to shoot you off the table with fast tank spam, or to smash your face with buffed up assault troops. I seldom see a list that can do both well. In this sense, though they're versatile during list building, they lack versatility on the board.

What army do you play that you're trying to find a weakness to exploit in the BA for? If you give details, we might be able to give you more specific suggestions.

Lacking versatility?
Well, DoA army have available a bunch of HQs and ICs, Assault Marines, Vanguard Vets, Honour Guard, Sanguinary Guard.
Mech armies focus on Assault Marines in Razorbacks or Rhinos, Baal Predators, auto/las Predators, Speeders, Vindicators, Assault Termies, LR pattern tanks.
These are quite a few playable units. What do other chapters have?

Sure, but that's my point, all of the DoA stuff gets in your face, and all of the Mech army stuff sits back and shoots, with the exception of the assault termies. It seems like they seldom have the points to do both: long range shooting AND assaulting at the same time.

I've never actually seen anyone do the assault marines in Rhinos, though I guess it would be cheap. I'd imagine they'd get blown out of their rhino ASAP though.

I've never seen anyone try to pull off a hybrid between the two, so when facing Blood Angels, I know I either have to outshoot them or charge them.

wuestenfux wrote:They die like other Marines. Not quite true since you can spread FnP over the whole army. Moreover, BA is the fastest of the loyal chapters. Fast tanks like Predators are maneuverable and can shot all their main weapons. That's a big advantage - Predators of other chapters are just pillboxes.

I have been told by LOADS of people about the predators and they do seem brilliant as you can shoot while moving, am I right?


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daedalus wrote:The first one in August seemed to be a bit of a weekness for them, but they came back strong shortly thereafter.


Oh. WEAKNESS. That's a different story. In that case, the one thing I've noticed is that most lists seem to either be built to shoot you off the table with fast tank spam, or to smash your face with buffed up assault troops. I seldom see a list that can do both well. In this sense, though they're versatile during list building, they lack versatility on the board.

What army do you play that you're trying to find a weakness to exploit in the BA for? If you give details, we might be able to give you more specific suggestions.

Don't take the micheal out of my spelling :(. And I do want want a wide wange of troops such as asault squads and predators.

Thanks, Jedend1


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And I am purchasing BA and just wanted to know what weaknesses I am to look out for .

Just a friendly poke at the spelling. Meant nothing personal.

I've not seen too many Predators used, but Fast Vindicators seem really nasty. Most of the lists I've dealt with have been assault armies that tend to get shot up during the first turn or two. It kind of boils down to whether or not they have steam left by the time they make it to melee. To this end, you'll want to make sure that you have as much cover as you can possibly get. Don't worry about dangerous terrain checks if you stand to lose more guys from AP2 or AP3 shooting (for example, against IG) than you would from the checks themselves.

Also, Sanguinary Priests are nasty. Make sure you bring one for each assault squad.

daedalus wrote:Just a friendly poke at the spelling. Meant nothing personal.

I've not seen too many Predators used, but Fast Vindicators seem really nasty. Most of the lists I've dealt with have been assault armies that tend to get shot up during the first turn or two. It kind of boils down to whether or not they have steam left by the time they make it to melee. To this end, you'll want to make sure that you have as much cover as you can possibly get. Don't worry about dangerous terrain checks if you stand to lose more guys from AP2 or AP3 shooting (for example, against IG) than you would from the checks themselves.

Also, Sanguinary Priests are nasty. Make sure you bring one for each assault squad.

Nah its fine . And thanks for your experience, that should help me in what list I choose. I think its best I get at least two rhinos to transport my assault squads (with CCW) to the enemy as quick as I before the enemy (if its a capture the flag game or not) get the point where they are in a good position. What do you think about that?

There are a few other strengths that BA Have.

Access to more Dreads than anyone else.
It is possible to field 8 dreads in a 1750 pt Army with 2 10 Man Assault Squads and a 10 Man DC all in drop pods.
Thats a lot of nastyness.

They also have access to more Psykers than anyone else.
With 5 Psykers, and three of them in AV 13 walkers.
A lot of potential psychic attacks, and Lots of FW Death..


As has been said their biggest weakness is overall T4 Ar 3, so a lot of stuff in todays meta can ID them and/or grant no saves.

daedalus wrote:Sure
I've never seen anyone try to pull off a hybrid between the two, so when facing Blood Angels, I know I either have to outshoot them or charge them.

That's because everyone on here Nerd Rages when someone suggest it. I actually do pretty good when I play my hybrid list.

BA mech with Assault termies/marines in LR or SR is a viable option.
LR is probably the better of two options, it is a dedicated transport here. SR takes Heavy slots and unlike GK we cant give it Stealth.
Though we can give it 5+ cover while not going full out, so maybe use it as a gunboat with back up melee unit in it?

In fact, hybrid list are not often seen these days. But it could work. Assault Marines in transports with Assault Marines with jump packs behind. This is a way to approach the enemy when needed.

I'd say that their main weakness is that they have so many cool toys, and no where near enough points to get them all.
Sanguinary guard, honor guard, FC lightning termies, troop LR, storm ravens, librarian and furioso dreads, death company, death company dreads, and fast transports, not to mention awesome special characters.

All those awesome things, but not enough points! When I think about making a cool army list, it turns out bad because I want too many toys and not enough meat.

I don't know what the heck a weekness is, but the have all the weaknesses of regular space marines. Pie plates wreck those swarmy assault marine units, and autocannons/lascannons pop open rhinos without too much fuss

The only army I think truly succeeds in besting BA is Guard. Space marine armies just can't keep up with their speed

Landrain wrote:There are a few other strengths that BA Have.

Access to more Dreads than anyone else.
It is possible to field 8 dreads in a 1750 pt Army with 2 10 Man Assault Squads and a 10 Man DC all in drop pods.
Thats a lot of nastyness.

They also have access to more Psykers than anyone else.
With 5 Psykers, and three of them in AV 13 walkers.
A lot of potential psychic attacks, and Lots of FW Death..


As has been said their biggest weakness is overall T4 Ar 3, so a lot of stuff in todays meta can ID them and/or grant no saves.

Awsome, that is a really good stregth that I didn't know.
Deads are pretty good especiallt the Death Company ones . Thanks


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wuestenfux wrote:In fact, hybrid list are not often seen these days. But it could work. Assault Marines in transports with Assault Marines with jump packs behind. This is a way to approach the enemy when needed.

Yeah good idea and maybe get some dreads behind as well for full support?

Dreads with blood talons are awesome. In a game with mech BA vs. DE, I had one of these guys. The DE army was not able to annihilate it during its advance. Then a Beastmaster pack got stuck in it and the Dread killed them (almost) all.

Whats a Blood Talon? And awsome mech Blood Angels are awsome but I'm not a mech fan but at the same time I dont mind
a few vehicles if i'm honest.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I don't know what the heck a weekness is, but the have all the weaknesses of regular space marines. Pie plates wreck those swarmy assault marine units, and autocannons/lascannons pop open rhinos without too much fuss

The only army I think truly succeeds in besting BA is Guard. Space marine armies just can't keep up with their speed

I am gonna have to dis agree. if you use long wolves spam in a space wolf army and give them lascannons and plasma cannons they can searisly hurt them.

40kSpartan wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I don't know what the heck a weekness is, but the have all the weaknesses of regular space marines. Pie plates wreck those swarmy assault marine units, and autocannons/lascannons pop open rhinos without too much fuss

The only army I think truly succeeds in besting BA is Guard. Space marine armies just can't keep up with their speed

I am gonna have to dis agree. if you use long wolves spam in a space wolf army and give them lascannons and plasma cannons they can searisly hurt them.

Who do I believe? 40K Spartan or samus_ara115?

Jedend1 wrote:

40kSpartan wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I don't know what the heck a weekness is, but the have all the weaknesses of regular space marines. Pie plates wreck those swarmy assault marine units, and autocannons/lascannons pop open rhinos without too much fuss

The only army I think truly succeeds in besting BA is Guard. Space marine armies just can't keep up with their speed

I am gonna have to dis agree. if you use long wolves spam in a space wolf army and give them lascannons and plasma cannons they can searisly hurt them.

Who do I believe? 40K Spartan or samus_ara115?

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what army do you collect

BA... liek all MEQ

A. mass amounts of fire ... they wont' make ALL thier saves even with 3+ and 4+ fnp

or

B. str 8 /ap3 or better spam. or powerweapons in cc

Blood angels are a fun army because of their highly versatile builds.

They can muster up deathstar armies with relatively scary lists including dc, deep striking land raiders, storm raven assault vehicles, etc.

They do fine in MSU lists with melta-equipped 5-man assault squads. The discount on the razorback is plain sex. The Space Wolves certainly do it better as far as razorspam, but the cargo within is a little scarier than grey hunters, IMO.

AV13 spam. Whether that's predator or dreadnaught, Blood Angels can do it well.

Scary heroes. I'm seeing a lot of Dante-sang-honor guard death star drop lists. Mephiston can be quite versatile, even though everyone now seems to have experienced him and has an answer for him. Hell, I fielded Gabriel Seth the other day with my fluffy flesh tearer's army and he (and his sanguinary guard pals) whiped out Kharn and his bezerker friends in cc. Pretty brutal stuff.

DoA infantry heavy jump lists. So you're packing plenty of las and melta for the 5 razorbacks and 3 predators you expect to see? Well, now you have thirty melta-armed, power-fist packing marines jumping right into your face. Good luck.

Fast vindicators. Variable results, but when they work they work.

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The big weaknesses that the blood angels have is that they are expensive. Let's be honest, razorbacks are not hard to destroy, even with the 5+ libby shield. Stormchickens die easily enough, and risking the cargo for a flat-out cover save is rarely worth it.

Does your opponent make a mistake and set his Mephiston just out of cover? Blast away at him and knock out 250 points. Did he field expensive death company in a rhino? Pop it, and bait them around with some suitably powerful armor.

In my opinion, focus on the point sinks. The troops are tough for space marines, but as soon as the boxes are popped, you should have the same fighting chance against them as you would vs any other army.