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2011/09/26 23:29:56
Subject: Outflank question.
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Been Around the Block
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I tried to seach for this but didn't find anything. this happened to a just over the weekend at a tourny. A his player outflanked a warrior squad due to hive commander and joined a tyrant prime with them also. now I thought if an IC joined. unit to outflank they had to bag the rule also just like infiltrate. Can any one steer m to the correct answer because I also play kids and if this works I might take warriors with a prime finally.
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2011/09/26 23:41:09
Subject: Outflank question.
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
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You are right: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/343023.page
ICs need the outflank rule as well if they wish to outflank. The hive commander only lets the unit outflank.
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2011/09/27 02:21:54
Subject: Re:Outflank question.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Outflank is not a USR so that actually has no bearing on this.
The problem is that a Prime is an HQ and the Warriros are troops. Hive Commander says you give the troop unit outflank, but doesn't specify if a joined IC can benefit (for example snikrot's rules give the benefit to ICs). Main rulebook FAQ states that ICs join units before deployment/reserves on top of that.
It's a bit of a conundrum, but personally I'd say no....and I'm a tyranid player. Would be glad to see an FAQ or Errata to make the wording more specific.
At a tournament, ask the TO. The TO's word is law even if it isn't RAW.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/09/27 02:22:54
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2011/09/27 02:48:06
Subject: Outflank question.
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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I'm under the impression that ICs need to have scouts, infiltrate, or the explicit ability to outflank in order to outflank with the squad, otherwise it loses its ability. I say this because I play Space Wolves, the only way you can get a character to outflank with Scouts is to give a Wolf Priest Saga of the Hunter.
Anyway, I believe the rule is on the USR page, but I don't have it handy on me at the moment...
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2011/09/27 03:03:29
Subject: Outflank question.
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The Hive Mind
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Except the squad doesn't have the Outflank USR - the Tyrant just allows one troop choice to outflank. You can't compare them to Wolf Scouts.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2011/09/27 03:07:17
Subject: Outflank question.
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Sinewy Scourge
Long Island, New York, USA
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Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Anyway, I believe the rule is on the USR page, but I don't have it handy on me at the moment...
It's on page 76 of the main rules, it is the Scout USR, and it is one of the USRs with an asterisk, meaning that if the IC and the unit do not both have the USR, then when they are joined, neither one has the ability.
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I have found again and again that in encounter actions, the day goes to the side that is the first to plaster its opponent with fire. The man who lies low and awaits developments usually comes off second best. - Erwin Rommel
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2011/09/27 06:55:24
Subject: Re:Outflank question.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Outflank itself is not a USR. Certain USRs (Infiltrate and Scout, come to mind) allow a unit to outflank. However, if the rule says a single troop choice than, IMHO, the unit chosen may outflank, as long as there is no attached IC. (Unless said IC can also outflank).
On a side note, if a unit without Scout, has a special rule allowing them to Outflank, is joined by an IC with Scout, would they still be able to outflank, as the IC would lose Scout?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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2011/09/27 07:42:40
Subject: Outflank question.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Technically no - which is why initially you could NOT attack any ICS to the SW Scouts, as while they had the ability to gain Outflank they could NOT gain Scouts / Infiltrate, making the Scouts lose those USRs and leaving them unable to OBEL
The FAQ changed the rules to allow it.
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