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I just started reading some of the rules and tried my first game yesterday and I am hooked but I have no idea how to start with my own list.

I know I want to use Sorscha as my caster as I have the two player box set pre ordered and I already own a Beast 09. So I would like to base my list around what comes in the box. I would like some guidance and recommendations so I have some idea what to buy to expand my army.

This is what I thought of so far:

pSorscha -5
Beast 09 +11
Destroyer +9
MOW Shock Troopers (1leader & 2 grunts) +6
Widowmaker Unit +4

Thanks in advance!

Ok MoWs are nice, but reeeaaaallly slow. And I think that just about one of the best and most versatile formations a Khador player can run is a winter guard deathstar. So at 25 points while still trying to stay moderately within you specifications I would suggest the following list:

Kommander Sorscha
*Beast-09
*Juggernaut
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 9 Grunts)
*Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard
*2 Winter Guard Infantry Rocketeers
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich

This gives you a unit that can potentially deal with anything, and you have no idea how fun it is to sweep away entire enemy units with 3 grunts using shotguns with boosted attack rolls. Also when you want to expand you can swap out little sorscha with epic sorscha and add a third rocketeer. Also you can drop the juggernaut for a min unit of shocktroopers or widowmakers with the marksman once you have the models, sorscha really only wants/needs 1 warjack to do her thing, and she loves 09.

Awesome thanks!

Just out of curiosity I have read that a lot of people only run Sarscha with only beast 09 as her only jack? Does anyone have any good list for that?

My above list, drop the juggernaut, add widowmakers, marksman, and a rocketeer.

Awesome thanks again scavenger. I just placed an order for everything I need with one jack. This should be a fun list to play.

Scavenger is very Biased against MoW. personally MoW are great if your not in a hurry. ST are Meatshields. run them in front of the jacks with the Shield Wall Order.

Considering your first list is mostly slow to begin with the MoW ST would still be a good choice for your Sorscha list.

i am not saying that a WG Deathstar is not good but i would save it for a 35pt list. they are great i have a Deathstar myself. in smaller lists a DS is not going to be as good as you would think.

an alternative to your orignal list Deepeyes, drop the MoW for Great Bears and a War Dog. the dog is amazing. and Great Bears are > MoW =]

I am not biased against MoW units, I just want to have some fast units on the table. I play a lot of objective based games, and in that sort of situation MoW are just too slow and too short ranged for my liking. If I am playing khador I already have slow warjacks, I want something that is more mobile. Also MoW are expensive to field, and will never be able to kill as many enemy troopers in a turn as a deathstar using grapeshot.

Really I am biased against MoW units, I only like the bombardiers because they can produce enough AoEs that they will not have too much trouble fighting infantry, and I would rather be playing a lot of cheap fast infantry than a few slow expensive infantry, then I do not need to cringe when my opponent's warjack kills 1 or 2 winter guard.

It all comes down to personal taste. I see winter guard as amazing against general infantry and capable against anything. Where as MoW are usually amazing against heavy infantry and capable against jacks, but poor to awful against cheap infantry....Like Winter Guard.


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And if you really want to try MoWs you can swap out the widowmakers and a rocketeer for a minimum unit of shocktroopers.

that is differently good points. i do like my Deathstar don't get me wrong. i play Steamroller tourneys but i am still a little green to handle objective, it takes better micro managing skills to do it successfully. honestly, i do like the MoW, however the Greatbears are better then the Demo. thats why i suggested droppuing the ST for Great Bears and Dog xD

And your numbers are off. Widowmakers and a Roketeer are 5 pts. where as the ST are 6pts for the minimum.

personally i want to run my list with Full ST and the Deathstar. it would give me the meatshield with ST and i have my Deathstar behind them. Ternions using the Cloud on my STs to give them a Def buff and block LOS behind them. but thats my Sorscha list =]

When I say widowmakers I think of the marksman as a UA. But I thought shock troopers were 7 points for a min unit. My bad for not checking points before posting. And I could see using Shocktroopers, but If I pay that many points I might as well just get another jack.

Demo Corps, and Shocktroopers as 6/9(min/max)
the Bombardiers are 7/11

and in reference to the STs i would drop widowmakers, Marksman, and a Rocket for the Bombardiers. thats if you wanted to have beefy ranged AoEs. thats the one thing i dont like about the Bombardiers, they only have the Unit Box so i would have to purchase a whole unit when i will be primarily running only tghe min unit. maybe max if i ran a 50pt list.

I kinda made a mistake when I was ordering my units. I ordered a winterguard riflecorps by accident instead of a winterguard infantry. I'll just be using them as WG infantry for the mean time. (Besides I think the models looks better anyways ).

I went with the second list and yea I realized after I was two points over but that is not a big deal I guess. I can just drop the marksmen for the mean time.

In the end I decided not to get the two player box set as I got a good deal on a bunch of stuff (including the full rule book). This is what I have coming at the moment.

pSorscha
Beast 09
Winterguard Riflecorps (count as winterguard infantry)
Winterguard Rocketeer x3
Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich
Widowmaker Unit
Widowmaker Marksman

I'll probably be ordering more stuff at the end of the month so any more recommendations would be great. I'm thinking of adding a war dog to my collection at some point and the Bombardiers sound awesome.

This is my completed beast 09 (still needs to be based)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/401483.page

Just order the winter guard infantry card from Privateer press (it is like 50c). Personally I like the models for the rifle corp better as well and I would have ordered them instead of the regular winter guard had I realized that they came in a box of 10.

Cheers scavenger. I just ordered the card. What do you think about swapping out one of the Rocketeers for a war dog?

That is not a bad idea, but I do not have the dog so I am not sure how good he is on the table. I do however own rocketeers and they are awesome, if you want to get the dog try out both builds and let me know how helpful the dog is. Cheers,

I am trying it like this @ 30pts - where do I spend 5 to go to 35?

eScorscha
09
10 winter guard - officer and Standard - 3 rockets
Joe
Widowmakers
WM Marksmen
30

Deepeyes wrote:I kinda made a mistake when I was ordering my units. I ordered a winterguard riflecorps by accident instead of a winterguard infantry. I'll just be using them as WG infantry for the mean time. (Besides I think the models looks better anyways ).

I went with the second list and yea I realized after I was two points over but that is not a big deal I guess. I can just drop the marksmen for the mean time.

In the end I decided not to get the two player box set as I got a good deal on a bunch of stuff (including the full rule book). This is what I have coming at the moment.

pSorscha
Beast 09
Winterguard Riflecorps (count as winterguard infantry)
Winterguard Rocketeer x3
Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich
Widowmaker Unit
Widowmaker Marksman

I'll probably be ordering more stuff at the end of the month so any more recommendations would be great. I'm thinking of adding a war dog to my collection at some point and the Bombardiers sound awesome.

This is my completed beast 09 (still needs to be based)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/401483.page

give this some thought. i find pSorscha lacking when it comes to commanding Winterguard. the survivability is the issue. she has not buff spells for Units. here is a alternative to using pSorscha, try eSorscha, she has Iron Flesh +3DEF and -1 SPD, with IF and bob and weave order from the officer, you have a 19DEF on your deathstar. add fearless and tough from unkle Jo. the Death Star survives to lay waste to the enemy lines. on feat turn with eSorscha those small hits past ARM become leathal... SO, if you don't want eSorscha, who has better synergy with WGI than pSorscha, you can always use some Great Bears, who i highly endorse. eSorscha also hase +6 WarJack Points compared to pSorscha's +5. so that frees up 1 more point for the dog lol. the dog IMO is worth the 1pt place him just right and you got a clear not free strikes lan to the enemy caster, if needed. i don't use the Dog much in my eSorscha list because i dont really need her. her tactics are pretty much opposite from pSorscha. pSorscha is very easy to Assassinate with. Wind Rush > pop Feet > Charge enemy caster, auto hits the stationary and your rolling a boosted roll. if you make room for pEiryss she can disruptor bolt on the enemy caster. this removes all focus and they don't get anymore the next turn. only way to shake of stationary is spending 1 focus or fury. if they dont have focus they can't shake off and you survive one more turn to try again. pSorscha has Freesing Grip, cost 4, it causes Stationary. freeze the caster, and use her remaining 2 forcus for 2 more hits on top of the 5 from the previous turn. pSorscha also really likes Behemoth or a Destroyer, place your dog just right and charge it or charge a lowly enemy that is going to keep you out of combat. then, after killing the soldier, lob off a bombard, do this AFTER pSorscha feats. Destroyer is rolling against a Def 5 VS Ranged beacause of stationary. you should do 5 damage on average rolls. if you havn't won you most likely will loose unless they have crappy rolls. with eSorscha feat turn finds her in the middle of her army and let them do the killing. if the Rifle Corps had a UA that worked like the WG one, i would use them instead. i am going to run Beast 09 more and see how he runs in my eSorscha list.

i hope my Ramblings help.

Inigo Montoya wrote:I am trying it like this @ 30pts - where do I spend 5 to go to 35?

eScorscha
09
10 winter guard - officer and Standard - 3 rockets
Joe
Widowmakers
WM Marksmen
30

toss the Great Bears on there for a 30pt list. Inigo you only have a 24pt list. eSorscha has 6 warjack points(WJP). Deepeyes pSorscha has 5 WJP. Great Bears, is a definate add on, then we need to get 5 more points in there. maybe grab pEiryss and some other 2pt solo like a manhunter. that would give you a good solid list you have a little bit of mele to help offset the heavy ranged.

So
eScorscha
09
war dog
10 wg - officer+standard, 3 rockets
Joe
widowmakers
widowmaker marksmen
Great Bears
pEiryss
Manhunter

That is 35, correct. I will have a go of it with this and see how I fare.

- WGI are not DEF 19. They are DEF 17.

Base DEF = 12, Bob and Weave is +2 DEF, and IF is +3 DEF.

12 + 2 + 3 = 17 DEF.

- Rifle Corps are best used with casters that boost their damage, so pButcher and pVlad are the best to use them under.

Oh Snap!, i did not have access to my cards or books so i using memory.

if you have Concealment its 19 VS Ranged xD

Just remember Inigo and Deepeyes, pEiryss is useless against Hordes. i will be Running Kayazy Eliminaters, i may Shy away from pEiryss in my eSorscha list. Atleast until i get my Second list built.

Thanks for your input guys. I have been expanding my army to 35 points.

I ordered myself(a few days ago)
Great Bears
Doom Revers
War dog
Grey lord escort.

So for 35 points I have
pSorscha
Beast 09
Winterguard Riflecorps (count as winterguard infantry)
Winterguard Rocketeer x3
Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich
Widowmaker Unit
Great Bears
Doom Revers
War dog

and for eSorscha I was thinking of

eSorscha
Beast 09
Winterguard Riflecorps (count as winterguard infantry)
Winterguard Rocketeer x2
Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich
Widowmaker Unit
Great Bears
Doom Revers
War dog
Grey lord escort

My main opponents will generally be beast horde players