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2011/09/29 14:41:47
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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During a game this evening my boys and their Nob assaulted a vehicle.
They all hit in initiative order and the boys wrecked the vehicle with multiple imobilised results.
The passengers disembarked. The vehicle was destroyed - wrecked, but my opponent insisted that I should still roll my hits for the initiative 1 Nob with his powerclaw.
I was obviously not keen to do this as I ran the risk of exploding the vehicle and incurring wounds on my squad and besides the vehicle was already destroyed. You can't kill an infantry model once he is already destroyed so to me it is illogical that the Nob woulldcontinue to assault the vehicle once it was destroyed
What do you all think?
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2011/09/29 14:46:21
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Sinewy Scourge
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No once the vehicle is destroyed thats it no more swinging at it. Now had you gone through cover then yes you would still need to swing with the nob.
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2011/09/29 14:46:44
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
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The vehicle no longer exists as an entity, it's just a piece of terrain, so there's nothing for him to swing at. You were correct.
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2011/09/29 14:53:01
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The vehicle is no longer a unit, and cannot therefore be the target of a close combat attack. Your opponent is wrong
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2011/09/29 15:04:13
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Akroma06 wrote:No once the vehicle is destroyed thats it no more swinging at it. Now had you gone through cover then yes you would still need to swing with the nob.
Pretty much.
But if you are afraid of losing models due to a scenario like this, than separate the nob and let the boyz attack.
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2011/09/29 15:07:09
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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You cant separate the nob he is an upgrade not ic
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/09/29 15:07:32
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2011/09/29 15:08:31
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Huge Hierodule
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If a vehicle is wrecked, it becomes a piece of dangerous, difficult terrain that affords a 4+ save. This happens at the end of the Boyz initiative step and before the Nob's initiative step. The terrain is not given an AV value and cannot be attacked.
You no more have to make your Nob's attacks 'to see if he makes the vehicle explode' than you would have to do so 'to see if he makes a Pyrovore explode' if the Boyz killed it before him.
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2011/09/29 15:10:30
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Bigdobbo wrote:You cant separate the nob he is an upgrade not ic
Crap, that's right.
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2011/09/29 15:55:57
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Huge Hierodule
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You can pull shenanigans to stop him being able to get within range to attack, though. Just make a picket line of Boyz 2" away from the engaged models so he can't get through!
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2011/09/29 16:41:47
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Akroma06 wrote:No once the vehicle is destroyed thats it no more swinging at it. Now had you gone through cover then yes you would still need to swing with the nob.
I don't get the cover bit. Either the vehicle is destroyed and no longer a unit when I1 is reached or not.
Homer
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2011/09/29 16:47:48
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Homer S wrote:Akroma06 wrote:No once the vehicle is destroyed thats it no more swinging at it. Now had you gone through cover then yes you would still need to swing with the nob.
I don't get the cover bit. Either the vehicle is destroyed and no longer a unit when I1 is reached or not.
Homer
Because if the boyz had gone through cover they would all swing at I1 due to assaulting through cover rules.
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2011/09/29 18:00:51
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Furious Fire Dragon
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DeathReaper wrote:Homer S wrote:Akroma06 wrote:No once the vehicle is destroyed thats it no more swinging at it. Now had you gone through cover then yes you would still need to swing with the nob.
I don't get the cover bit. Either the vehicle is destroyed and no longer a unit when I1 is reached or not.
Homer
Because if the boyz had gone through cover they would all swing at I1 due to assaulting through cover rules.
Ah ha, so then everyone attacked at I1. D'oh!
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2011/09/29 18:23:06
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Huge Hierodule
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Hold up, everybody. I wasn't saying cover is involved, just that in the moment between the I3 Boyz attacking and I1Nob being able to attack, the vehicle model turned from a unit under the opponent's control to a piece of terrain as described. The model is on the board, but it's no longer attackable.
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2011/09/29 18:43:43
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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We know you did not mention cover lindsay40k, we were clarifying what Akroma06 had said.
Akroma06 wrote:No once the vehicle is destroyed thats it no more swinging at it. Now had you gone through cover then yes you would still need to swing with the nob.
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2011/09/29 19:06:44
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Dakka Veteran
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Folks have a habit around here of injecting different scenarios into a thread. Never was quite sure if the intent is to clarify or cloud the original issue. 
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2011/09/29 19:07:39
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Fixture of Dakka
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Everything is resolved at initiative. If the boys wrecked it at I3 or I2 then the I1 Nob never strikes.
If the boys wrecked it at I1 due to difficult terrain assault, then yes, the NOB's powerclaws and results would be forced to be applied at the same time as the boyz even if you did the boyz first and potentially give more chances for EXPLODES which I assume your opponent was wanting.
It is all done by initiative in CC.
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2011/09/29 19:35:14
Subject: Re:Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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The Conquerer
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You have to resolve attacks in I order. if what you are attacking is removed as an attackable object before your I step then the attack doesn't occur.
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2011/09/30 02:35:53
Subject: Does the Nob still have to swing his powerclaw if his boys already wrecked the vehicle
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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If you carried on and blew the thing up; which he wanted you to do, and it was because then he would now have place to deploy the squad that was inside and be able to try to fight back.
Edit: Just saw you said the squad already jumped out, nvm that. You were still right in ending the attacks though.
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