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So, I know that there are a few competitive fluffy Eldar lists. But I do not know if Biel-Tan is one of them. If I were to make a fluffy Biel-Tan list, what would I need and would it be competitive?

Biel Tan was better to play in the previous incarnation of the codex when craftsworld got more emphasis. Today, Aspect Warriors are not troops up to Dire Avengers.
I'd consider a PL to lead a Biel Tan army.

Phoenix Lords will almost certainly make their Aspects into Troops in the next Codex revision. Just you wait.

Biel-tan fluff is basically swordwind, lots of vehicles with aspects inside. It should be pretty compeditive.

You can run with the standard mech'dar list and call it Biel-Tan.

A list that has a focus' on foot aspect warriors is not competitive. I have such a list I like to play in casual games with less experienced generals, but its not an army you would take to tourneys.

labmouse42 wrote:You can run with the standard mech'dar list and call it Biel-Tan.

A list that has a focus' on foot aspect warriors is not competitive. I have such a list I like to play in casual games with less experienced generals, but its not an army you would take to tourneys.

Challenge accepted

I play a Biel-tan themed 'competetive' list.

Essentially a counts as Eldrad, counts as Yriel, wave serpents with Avengers, Banshees and Fire Dragons, war walkers (ftw!) and fire prisms.

It's Biel-tan because its green (except I could make it more Biel-tanny by dropping the walkers and throwing more aspects in there - but guided walkers are hooray!).

Today, typical mech Eldar lists are played according to the Biel Tan style, with Fire Dragons and Dire Avengers as infantry.

wuestenfux wrote:Today, typical mech Eldar lists are played according to the Biel Tan style, with Fire Dragons and Dire Avengers as infantry.

Well, thats good
Biel-Tan is my favorite Craftworld (no actual reason, I just like them).

lindsay40k wrote:Phoenix Lords will almost certainly make their Aspects into Troops in the next Codex revision. Just you wait.

Feugan FD spam mech lists would be hilarious.

But yeah, since DA are troops nowadays it's certainly possible to stick within swordwind fluff idea.

forruner_mercy wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Today, typical mech Eldar lists are played according to the Biel Tan style, with Fire Dragons and Dire Avengers as infantry.

Well, thats good
Biel-Tan is my favorite Craftworld (no actual reason, I just like them).

They are you favorite because we bring the fight to our enemy!
We will return the Eldar Empire to it's former glory by purging these monkeighs from the galaxy!

And my favorite quote that I throw around..

"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, yet you still dare to oppose our will."
- Farseer Mirehn Bielann

lindsay40k wrote:Phoenix Lords will almost certainly make their Aspects into Troops in the next Codex revision. Just you wait.

My prediction would be that rather then becoming troops, they "count as troops for the purposes of securing objectives". Or something similar to the rules relating to Pedro Kantor and Stern Guard.

6 Fire Dragon squads would be a bit oot...

EDIT:
Also just for fun I'm going to post a totally not competitive list

Vermillion wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:You can run with the standard mech'dar list and call it Biel-Tan.

A list that has a focus' on foot aspect warriors is not competitive. I have such a list I like to play in casual games with less experienced generals, but its not an army you would take to tourneys.

Challenge accepted

[125] Autarch- Warp Jump Generator, Mandiblasters, Power Weapon, Fusion Gun

[180] 5 Fire Dragons : Wave Serpent, tl shuri
[322] 10 Banshees- Exarch, Executioner, Acrobatics : Wave Serpent- tl Lance
[202] 10 Scorpions- Exarch, Claw, Shadow Strike

[287] 10 Dire Avengers- Exarch, 2 Catapults, Bladestorm : Wave Serpent- tl Lance
[287] 10 Dire Avengers- Exarch, 2 Catapults, Bladestorm : Wave Serpent- tl Lance


[152] 5 Warp Spiders- Exarch, Duel Spinners, Withdraw
[147] 5 Swooping Hawks- Exarch, Sunrifle, Sky Leap

[147] 3 Dark Reapers- Exarch, Missile, Fast Shot
[147] 3 Dark Reapers- Exarch, Missile, Fast Shot

Run at your own risk... I wouldn't have high expectations though...

So from what I gather, a whole bunch of Aspect Warriors (or at least a larger that normal amount) would be a fluffy Biel-Tan list?

akaean wrote:
EDIT:
Also just for fun I'm going to post a totally not competitive list

Vermillion wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:You can run with the standard mech'dar list and call it Biel-Tan.

A list that has a focus' on foot aspect warriors is not competitive. I have such a list I like to play in casual games with less experienced generals, but its not an army you would take to tourneys.

Challenge accepted

[125] Autarch- Warp Jump Generator, Mandiblasters, Power Weapon, Fusion Gun

[180] 5 Fire Dragons : Wave Serpent, tl shuri
[322] 10 Banshees- Exarch, Executioner, Acrobatics : Wave Serpent- tl Lance
[202] 10 Scorpions- Exarch, Claw, Shadow Strike

[287] 10 Dire Avengers- Exarch, 2 Catapults, Bladestorm : Wave Serpent- tl Lance
[287] 10 Dire Avengers- Exarch, 2 Catapults, Bladestorm : Wave Serpent- tl Lance


[152] 5 Warp Spiders- Exarch, Duel Spinners, Withdraw
[147] 5 Swooping Hawks- Exarch, Sunrifle, Sky Leap

[147] 3 Dark Reapers- Exarch, Missile, Fast Shot
[147] 3 Dark Reapers- Exarch, Missile, Fast Shot

Run at your own risk... I wouldn't have high expectations though...

Discovered I don't have my codex with me to do one up, but was thinking avatar along the lines of the court of the young king idea beil tan had in their craftworld list. Only spiders as fast attack and ran into problems debating could I fudge a farseer in there and problems deciding which aspects in those 2 elite spots.
And if WS are in, might as well use falcons too

Can't see 6 FD squads being horrendous. I mean, that's going to require Feugan, and if they're planning on getting into range 6 WS as well. That's a lot of points sunk into units that point for point will get ground down and mobbed by most other scoring units. IG can throw a lot of scoring melta units around already.

So, out of all the Aspect Warriors, which are ones that I should stay away from? Or are the all good if I use them right?

Stay far away from Shining Spears and Swooping Hawks. The rest have their uses.

Out of the rest, what would be the best way to use them? And I am guessing that I will use Dire Avengers as my main troop choice?

Also, if I choose Eldar, I will start with a 500 point list.

Mech seems to be the way forward. I had tremendous success with an all Mech list, mostly Dire Avengers, who would all jump out of a WS on the same turn and concentrate fire to eliminate key threats. Two or three units would drop around a Banshee unit; that way, they could Defend if charged and benefit from a lethal counter-charge. (The Banshees could even scarecrow dangerous units and prevent the charge ever happening.)

Took Falcons for both anti-tank support (wasn't fond of suiciding Fire Dragons) and for extracting units whose WS got shot down.

Aside from light attrition, the only regular casualty was a Vyper I took to use up spare points.

This was back in 3ed, and since then Mech's gotten even stronger and DAs have gotten even nastier at dismount - shoot - remount - reload & redeploy.

Do you think one of you could come up witha fluffy Biel-Tan 500-point list for me?

Farseer w/ doom.

5 dire avengers w/ exarch, twin shuriken cats, bladestorm.

5 dire avengers w/ exarch, twin shuiriken cats, bladestorm.

5 banshees w/ exarch w/ executuioner

warwalker w/ 2 EML

Warwalker w/ 2 EML

That should be around 500 points, and has a good amount of aspect warriors.

Ok, thanks!